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    Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    The US congress refuses to represent The People anymore. They are all about special interest and they are bound and determined to cram this mess down everybody’s throats. They planned this ahead of time in case Coakley lost.



    Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says - Bloomberg.com

    Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Even if Democrats lose the Jan. 19 special election to pick a new Massachusetts senator, Congress may still pass a health-care overhaul by using a process called reconciliation, a top House Democrat said.

    That procedure requires 51 votes rather than the 60 needed to prevent Republicans from blocking votes on President Barack Obama’s top legislative priorities. That supermajority is at risk as the Massachusetts race has tightened.

    “Even before Massachusetts and that race was on the radar screen, we prepared for the process of using reconciliation,” said Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

    “Getting health-care reform passed is important,” Van Hollen said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. “Reconciliation is an option.”

    Using reconciliation would likely force Democrats to scale back their health-care plans. The procedure is designed to make deficit-cutting easier by reducing the number of votes needed to pass unpopular tax increases and spending cuts. Lawmakers can’t include policy changes that the parliamentarian deems have only an “incidental” connection to budget-cutting, and senators would need 60 votes to override those rulings.

    Van Hollen also said he expects Democratic Senate candidate Martha Coakley to win in Massachusetts.

    ‘Pure Hallucination’

    Van Hollen said Republican predictions that the political climate had changed so much that they can capture the 40 seats needed to regain control of the House was “pure hallucination.”

    “Why would you hand the keys to the car back to the same guys whose policies drove the economy into the ditch and then walked away from the scene of the accident?” Van Hollen said. “For the Republicans to say vote for us and bring back the guys who got us into this mess in the first place, I don’t think it’s a winner.”

    He said Democrats expect to see their majority shrink this year because the party that occupies the White House traditionally loses congressional seats in the first midterm election.

    At the end of a week dominated by images of death and destruction after the Jan. 12 earthquake in Haiti, Van Hollen said lawmakers likely will approve whatever relief money the president requests. Obama has already asked for $100 million.

    “We want to help people who need relief immediately, and so to that extent I support it,” Van Hollen said.
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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Most threads don't have gratuitous Nazi and Hitler references till several posts in. Good job not waiting and getting them in early so we can just dismiss this all as hyper-partisan ranting.
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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Most threads don't have gratuitous Nazi and Hitler references till several posts in. Good job not waiting and getting them in early so we can just dismiss this all as hyper-partisan ranting.
    What are you talking about? Do you wish to discuss the topic about getting healthcare passed with 51 votes?

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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Army Retired View Post
    What are you talking about?
    The reference you edited out of your post after you got called on it, that's what.

    Well, there goes your credibility around here...
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Army Retired View Post
    What are you talking about? Do you wish to discuss the topic about getting healthcare passed with 51 votes?
    That which you edited out 4 minutes after my post, that's what I am talking about. Nice try, but still a fail.
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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Most threads don't have gratuitous Nazi and Hitler references till several posts in. Good job not waiting and getting them in early so we can just dismiss this all as hyper-partisan ranting.
    So just a trolling whine about a non-existing Hitler reference. Got it.


    I'd say that politically, the bill will pass one way or another. Democrats have many options to still get the bill passed - but the fallout of doing this is the real story. It could be reconciliation with 51 votes, it could be a delay in getting Brown into the Senate seat until the bill passes, it could be that they'll pass it without Brown's vote or with it by turning a "nay" into a "yea" which Democrats may be doing right now.

    I don't think Brown will have any effect on the Health Care bill at all since there are so many options - but the fallout of any of those options may be worse if they are used for the majority party. Politically I think Democrats are in trouble not just in Mass. but everywhere and the use of something like reconciliation would not help and potentially hurt 2010 elections.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So just a trolling whine about a non-existing Hitler reference. Got it.
    Not non-existant. Edited out after they got called on it.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Ok, I didn't see the part edited out so appologies all around if that is indeed the case. However, discussion of the topic and ignoring such matters would provide a better debate on the substance of the article. There's genuine point there as well as a valid political position. Better to comment on that or just ignore the thread if Godwins law is violated right off the bat.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That which you edited out 4 minutes after my post, that's what I am talking about. Nice try, but still a fail.
    Do you wish to discuss the topic about getting healthcare passed with 51 votes? What are your thoughts?

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    Re: Democrat Threat: Health Bill Can Pass Senate With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Not non-existant. Edited out after they got called on it.
    Do you wish to discuss the topic about getting healthcare passed with 51 votes? What are your thoughts?

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