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US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

Ethereal said:
Don't be obtuse. If we're so concerned with doing the right thing, as so many have claimed, then why are we ignoring the situation in Darfur? Does the "right thing" only entail helping countries that are hit by earthquakes?
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In my experience, the "right thing" is (and has to be) a matter of convenience. Our resources are limited, which meas we have to pick our battles.

Despite the moronic accusations that come our way about our "world policeman" identity, we are no where near such a thing. Our first concern is to ourselves then others. Often, a humanitarian issue is in our interests. Often it is not. We have to be able to point out that foriegn people have to accept that they have do for themseleves before we "intervene."

As far as Darfur, nations like France and China have business to do, which means the UN will never do anything of substance with nay votes coming from the Security Council. It was Bush and Blair that pressured and pushed the UN to even look towards Darfur. And in the end, no one in Europe decided to lead a mission and the UN even dismissed the International Court's decision to bring Bashir up on charges against hunmanity.

The "right" thing is often a contradictory thing anyway. Today, morality is decided by international law. "Right and wrong" comes down to whether or not the decrepit of the earth can get the UN to legitimize their turned backs. It's also decided in accordance to location. Notice how a UN declared "illegal" act over Kosovo met with minimal criticism from Europeans, but a UN declared "illegal" act over Iraq met with extreme hatred and criticism from the same people? The only consistent is American action to do what is "right" despite the twisted criticisms and pathetic focuses on ulterior motive accusations from those who like to think they are our voice of conscience and morality.

Helping Haitians is the "right" thing for two reasons. One, they are suffering and two their suffering will float to Florida. Before long, the critics of the world will focus on the second reason alone. And if the UN wasn't involved and Europe turned its back, we would be criticized for our "intervention" as we were in 1993 and 1994, when people like me were deployed into Haiti to deal with their coup.

"Right and wrong." As long as we keep deciding for the most part what this means, the world will be heading in the correct direction. God help the earth's population across the oceans if we ever take a UN or European attitude about it.
 
MSgt said:
Revision? BS.

My post to you was in reaction to your partisan global Leftist garbage about the American Right and you complain about people turning things into politics?

Haiti is on our side of the world. It is our "responsibility" to react and lead efforts. You are not needed. Bosnia and Kosovo was not just on yoour side of the world, but in your own region and it took America to lead both missions. Clinton pulled NATO into Bosnia and kicked out the UN. Over 70 percent of the sorties over Kosovo were American jets. Why is that? Why is it that with all the black and white truth of this people like you choose to accuse others of revision as if the entire world is blind and there is some massive secret you can't let out?

Now that superstar is in the White House the anti-American global Left have chosen to fine tune their hate towards the "Right" (even as your kind criticize Obama for lying to you as if he was supposed to be your President.) You accuse the Right of not caring about human suffering. Yet seem to ignore the tsunami of Indonesia while Bush was in the White House. You also seem to ignore the fact that black Africans sufferred greatly while Clinton was in the White House (white Europeans got coddled though). Of course, the fact that thousands of troops and non-troops already in and heading to Haiti being full of people from the Right and Left seem to go dismissed as well to your kind. This new anti-America attitide yourself, Zeebra, and others are trying to portray as just being a "Right" thing will not work.

Start leading efforts or shut the **** up. That's my opinion.
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I would support any humanitarian effort on our behalf anywhere anytime, because we can't rely on to many others to help out. Rest assure they will be those backbenchers who will be quick to condemn us if we don't meet up to their standards.
 
deltabtry said:
I would support any humanitarian effort on our behalf anywhere anytime, because we can't rely on to many others to help out. Rest assure they will be those backbenchers who will be quick to condemn us if we don't meet up to their standards.
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...and even if we do. Condemnation itself is usually the goal.
 
I don't think there is any difference between the democrats and the republicans when it comes to corruption, avarice, morals, patriotism, self interests before country, cronyism, nepotism, ethics, truthfulness and anything else I forgot.

They have got this country arguing with each other by connecting conservatives with republicans and liberals with democrats. It's a divide and conquer attitude.

Yep, they have fooled most of the sheep. Ba, Ba, black sheep, have you any wool? No sir, no sir, the factory was sent to china.

I hate to keep repeating myself but "we have the best government that money can buy." Think about going third party. It's the only hope.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I don't think there is any difference between the democrats and the republicans when it comes to corruption, avarice, morals, patriotism, self interests before country, cronyism, nepotism, ethics, truthfulness and anything else I forgot.

They have got this country arguing with each other by connecting conservatives with republicans and liberals with democrats. It's a divide and conquer attitude.

Yep, they have fooled most of the sheep. Ba, Ba, black sheep, have you any wool? No sir, no sir, the factory was sent to china.

I hate to keep repeating myself but "we have the best government that money can buy." Think about going third party. It's the only hope.
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Third parties have been tried for centuries and all have failed, think about changing your own current party and rebuilding by getting rid of the trash that currently occupies it.
 
deltabtry said:
Third parties have been tried for centuries and all have failed, think about changing your own current party and rebuilding by getting rid of the trash that currently occupies it.
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I have to disagree with the part about "giving up". True third parties have not had made much difference but I don't believe in giving up.

We started with George Washington. Did he have a party? I say we flush all the incumbents down the toilet.

But, like my mother used to say, "Who the hell knows?"
 
deltabtry said:
Third parties have been tried for centuries and all have failed, think about changing your own current party and rebuilding by getting rid of the trash that currently occupies it.
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The Republican Party was once a third party. So much for that idea ...
 
Excuse me but at least the heart of Europe formed the EU, which is a pseudo-country as they'd like to think. But I see your point. Nevertheless, France is already blaming the US for something, so it has begun.
 
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_by_national_governments_to_the_2010_Haiti_earthquake]Humanitarian response by national governments to the 2010 Haiti earthquake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


There you go. All of you fighting over who's giving what, where and how much, go through that list country by country and knock yourselves out with the pissing contest.

I'm just glad everyone is chipping in with as much or as little they're willing or can afford to give.
 
The winers of the pissing match, are nothing more than loses , since every ones government is send as much help as the can.
 
MSgt said:
In my experience, the "right thing" is (and has to be) a matter of convenience. Our resources are limited, which meas we have to pick our battles.

Despite the moronic accusations that come our way about our "world policeman" identity, we are no where near such a thing. Our first concern is to ourselves then others. Often, a humanitarian issue is in our interests. Often it is not. We have to be able to point out that foriegn people have to accept that they have do for themseleves before we "intervene."

As far as Darfur, nations like France and China have business to do, which means the UN will never do anything of substance with nay votes coming from the Security Council. It was Bush and Blair that pressured and pushed the UN to even look towards Darfur. And in the end, no one in Europe decided to lead a mission and the UN even dismissed the International Court's decision to bring Bashir up on charges against hunmanity.

The "right" thing is often a contradictory thing anyway. Today, morality is decided by international law. "Right and wrong" comes down to whether or not the decrepit of the earth can get the UN to legitimize their turned backs. It's also decided in accordance to location. Notice how a UN declared "illegal" act over Kosovo met with minimal criticism from Europeans, but a UN declared "illegal" act over Iraq met with extreme hatred and criticism from the same people? The only consistent is American action to do what is "right" despite the twisted criticisms and pathetic focuses on ulterior motive accusations from those who like to think they are our voice of conscience and morality.

Helping Haitians is the "right" thing for two reasons. One, they are suffering and two their suffering will float to Florida. Before long, the critics of the world will focus on the second reason alone. And if the UN wasn't involved and Europe turned its back, we would be criticized for our "intervention" as we were in 1993 and 1994, when people like me were deployed into Haiti to deal with their coup.

"Right and wrong." As long as we keep deciding for the most part what this means, the world will be heading in the correct direction. God help the earth's population across the oceans if we ever take a UN or European attitude about it.
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Great post, Master Sergeant. Keep on posting. We need more like you here. Thank you for your service to our country.:2wave:
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
The winers of the pissing match, are nothing more than loses , since every ones government is send as much help as the can.
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Where are the leftist cries of pending oppression by capitalist stormtroopers? Oh yeah, it can't be blamed on GWB. :3oops:
 
Ethereal said:
Yea right. Why isn't anyone looking to China to sort this mess out?
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Because The United States is the greatest country on the history of the world. Even the USA bashers know that they can't count on anyone but us to get the job done in Haiti.
 
American said:
Where are the leftist cries of pending oppression by capitalist stormtroopers? Oh yeah, it can't be blamed on GWB. :3oops:
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They're too busy comparing the response to the Haiti crisis to Bush's response to Hurricane Katrina.
 
WI Crippler said:
I was watching ABC news, and they were talking about how supplies were sitting on an airstrip, waiting for the haiti government, UN, some other world food agency, and US military to coordinate drop off points for the water and other supplies.

I'm sorry, but if I am a military commander put in charge of the operation, I would say **** my commision and just set the **** up myself and get the supplies to the people. If we are on the scene, we don't need to wait for permission from some bueracrats to save ****ing lives. When I saw the US army general talking about how they had to wait, I wanted to strangle the ****er myself. Get your **** together and do something now. A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.
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I understand your logic and I don't disagree, but if you, as a commander on the ground, go into this half cocked and something goes wrong, someone gets wasted, then the situation could fall into even deeper chaos, possibly never getting straightened out again.
 
apdst said:
I understand your logic and I don't disagree, but if you, as a commander on the ground, go into this half cocked and something goes wrong, someone gets wasted, then the situation could fall into even deeper chaos, possibly never getting straightened out again.
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Well they are helicoptering supplies to different areas already. The airport apparently is not the best, and I think they're doing pretty good for only 5 days. The commander is probably doing the right thing.
 
American said:
Where are the leftist cries of pending oppression by capitalist stormtroopers? Oh yeah, it can't be blamed on GWB. :3oops:
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To answer your question: I haven't heard any cries from leftists or rightists condemning capitalist stormtroopers. I haven't heard anybody blaming it on gwb, either. In fact he and Clinton have teamed up to help them.

Why are you using this tragic disaster to play partisan politics? Shame on you.
 
American said:
Well they are helicoptering supplies to different areas already. The airport apparently is not the best, and I think they're doing pretty good for only 5 days. The commander is probably doing the right thing.
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If I were to do something different, I would have conducted massive airlifts and airdrops of supplies all over the city vice trying to stage supplies at the airport and distribute them from that one central point. The objective being, to put such a large amount of supplies on the ground, the citizens would be too busy eating and drinking to start a riot.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
To answer your question: I haven't heard any cries from leftists or rightists condemning capitalist stormtroopers. I haven't heard anybody blaming it on gwb, either. In fact he and Clinton have teamed up to help them.

Why are you using this tragic disaster to play partisan politics? Shame on you.
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Because the left regularly ****s on our troops, comparing them to Nazis, accusing them of terrorizing woman and children in the dead of night, but somehow can swallow all this when they want to show how humanitarian they are. BTW, there are more faithbased orgs down there doing more than all liberal attempts put together for a long time before the quake. I also remember lib hammering GWB for supporting faith-based initiatives that are far more efficient and quiet about their charitable operations. They haven't been on the news for years, including Pat Robertson's organization, but they've been helping these folks all along.
 
apdst said:
If I were to do something different, I would have conducted massive airlifts and airdrops of supplies all over the city vice trying to stage supplies at the airport and distribute them from that one central point. The objective being, to put such a large amount of supplies on the ground, the citizens would be too busy eating and drinking to start a riot.
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Well I can't talk to that, because I don't know the possibility of that. There may be limits on what you're suggesting. A cental point, given supplies coming in from all over the world, may be the only viable solution.
 
American said:
Because the left regularly ****s on our troops, comparing them to Nazis, accusing them of terrorizing woman and children in the dead of night, but somehow can swallow all this when they want to show how humanitarian they are. BTW, there are more faithbased orgs down there doing more than all liberal attempts put together for a long time before the quake. I also remember lib hammering GWB for supporting faith-based initiatives that are far more efficient and quiet about their charitable operations. They haven't been on the news for years, including Pat Robertson's organization, but they've been helping these folks all along.
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Thank you. I don't have to say anything. Your own words reveal your your truenature.
 
American said:
Well I can't talk to that, because I don't know the possibility of that. There may be limits on what you're suggesting. A cental point, given supplies coming in from all over the world, may be the only viable solution.
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You're right, there may be too many limitations to that plan, however, I think that a sudden, early influx of food and water would not only save lives, but would calm things down so that the supplies coming from the airport could be distributed alot more efficiently.
 
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