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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Im not trying to defend France or anything im just saying everything that can be done to help should be done and America is in the best position to help.
    Was America in the best position to bear the overwhelming burden over Bosnia and Kosovo? Being in the best "position" has had absolutely nothing to do with anything in the past, but the convenience of it now is suppose to comfort who?

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What have China and Russia done as world powers that the world would look to them for help at any point?
    You mean when it comes to vetoing UN action in Sudan...or Iran...or the many other examples where dictator representation in the UN needed support?

    I believe you are missing their points about this. Or maybe I am assuming that their points compliment my own (which I haven't stated). The UN and all the individual little nations that were involved in Somalia ran as fast as they could as soon as the mandate to aid ran out, leaving the minimum of Clinton allowed troops alone. Some of those same troops that had just left Somalia were pimped to Haiti to deal with a coup, embassy issue, and humanitarian aid. In Bosnia, Clinton kicks the UN out so that "NATO" could handle the mission properly and we were chastized for "crossing the line." The UN declared our actions with Kosovo "illegal" even though the President of the General Assembly stated that it was the "right thing to do." And of course, then there's Iraq, where we maintained a dictator for twelve years and then were criticized for wanting to end that despicable UN mission.

    This is recent history. Let's look elsewhere in time and space. The Philippines was ravaged by the Spanish in the last 19th century. America fought the Spanish-American War, which made America a player on the international stage. The result of which was a freed Philippines. Of course, we made the mistake of not leaving and thusly embarked on the Philippine-American War. We won, but left after a few years. By the time the Japanese invaded Pearl Harbor some 30 years later, Americans had to free the Phillipines from Japanese torment, where we stayed for 50 years. Then in the 90s Filippinos wanted the U.S. gone again. We left and one year later they wanted us back to aid them after a volcano eruption.

    I guess my point here is that the U.S. has a long history of intervening with the expectation that our sweat and blood is free of charge. We also have a long history of aiding foriegn nations who merely criticize us for our culture and success at every turn only to shine that American Bat Signal high in the sky whenever they need it. Personally, I'm sick of helping people that won't even help themselves. Perhaps China and Russia have the right idea - intervening is a bitch.

    Now, I firmly believe that American humanitarian aid needs to be a focused effort around the world, whether that means correcting our Cold War decisions (deposing "our" dictators) and leading international humanitarian aid when it comes to typhoons, tsunamis, earthquakes, and famine & disease. I am very attuned to what this world is today. And I believe these things offer us security in the long run. But what I don't believe in is that we have to grovel to the criticisms of our "friends" while doing it or that we are "expected" to do as they demand while remaining largely absent (or present in the barest sense of the world.

    Of course, I'm bitter anymore about the world so...
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    At least the US right are showing their true colours now.... pathetic attitude to human suffering.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    At least the US right are showing their true colours now.... pathetic attitude to human suffering.
    Right....Left....what BS.


    Human suffering to the Left and Right only matters according to who sits in the White House throne. Of course, wasn't it the Left that sat in the White House when Africans were being slaughtered in Sudan and Rwanda?

    But what's Europe's excuse? Lot of suffering in Bosnia and Kosovo. Didn't have to take America to lead it in your region. Or did it? Of course, human suffering in Rwanda and Sudan didn't matter much to Left and Right Europeans either.

    American action trumps European crocodile tears and criticism every time.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Right....Left....what BS.


    Human suffering to the Left and Right only matters according to who sits in the White House throne. Of course, w3asn;t it the Left that sat in the White House when Africans were being slaughtered in Sudan and Rwanda?

    But what's Europe's excuse? Lot of suffering in Bosnia and Kosovo. Didn't have to take America to lead it. Or did it?
    Good lord man spare yourself the thought that a broadly generalized stereotype is not like Catnip to Pete, so intellectual is his thought process. Pavlov's dog had more self control.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Right....Left....what BS.


    Human sufferng to the Left and Right only matters according to who sits in the White House throne. What's Europe's excuse? Lot of suffering in Bosnia and Kosovo. Didn't have to takle America to lead it. Perhaps Europe should lead the effort in Haiti? You know...to at least try to even it out?
    Oh stop that crap. If you want to discuss the realities of Bosnia and Kosovo then start a thread about it. But stop promoting that revisionist crap you and your cohorts continue to promote.

    And disasters has nothing to do with who sits in the White House but it does have something to do with how they react to said disaster. Disasters are not political tools unless someone makes it one and as it is standing now, it is part of the US right that is doing that big time. It was only hours into this catastrophe when the first partisan political comments came from the right.. Pat Roberston calling it a punishment from god over to Rush and others. They should be asking for donations like all the other sane people on air, but noo they have to exploit the misery of millions for personal, religious and political advantage.

    You do know the facts on the ground right? 3+ million people homeless, 50k+ dead (more like 100k+), millions homeless, half the Capital in ruins as a minimum... how can you NOT send help to a situation like this?

    Like it or not the world regardless of political colour responds to such things and only the most partisan hacks would from the start exploit this disaster in attacks against the opposition. The world responded when Pakistan needed help after an earthquake, when Iran needed help, when Asia needed help after the Tsunami and when the US was hit by Katrina.

    As for the criticism that the aid is not going forward fast enough.. moron journalists who dont have a clue on how such things work.

    Fact: The Port has been destroyed making the airport the only suitable place in the start to get aid in.

    Fact: The airport was hit also leaving no air traffic control tower or power at the start. That had to be fixed and that took hours.

    Fact: The airport has 1 runway and limited place.. it aint no JFK.

    Fact: The Hatian government and the UN (and others) were hit just as hard as the population by this. The Presidential palace was destroyed and the UN HQ. 800 UN troops are missing. All the main infrastructure of government was hit, most being destroyed. Setting up new such things takes a buttload of time for the best.. and Haiti aint the best in such things.

    Fact: The infrastructure in many areas have been destroyed. Roads, bridges, power, telecommunications and so on. Roads are littered with bodies and fallen houses. Getting trucks and aid through that is a challenge. And speaking of trucks and cars. Quite a bit of those were also destroyed in the earthquake, so new ones have be flown in.. taking time.

    Fact: Getting a massive aid program going takes time. Even during Katrina it took days to get the whole system going on a full scale and that was in a country where the infrastructure before the disaster was top notch.. Haiti aint that kind of place. Getting the US air craft carrier there with helicopters and the hospital ship took almost 2 days and it was in the "neighbourhood". Getting people from outside in takes time like it or not. Getting materials in takes even more time.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Oh stop that crap. If you want to discuss the realities of Bosnia and Kosovo then start a thread about it. But stop promoting that revisionist crap you and your cohorts continue to promote.

    And disasters has nothing to do with who sits in the White House but it does have something to do with how they react to said disaster. Disasters are not political tools unless someone makes it one and as it is standing now, it is part of the US right that is doing that big time. It was only hours into this catastrophe when the first partisan political comments came from the right.. Pat Roberston calling it a punishment from god over to Rush and others. They should be asking for donations like all the other sane people on air, but noo they have to exploit the misery of millions for personal, religious and political advantage.

    You do know the facts on the ground right? 3+ million people homeless, 50k+ dead (more like 100k+), millions homeless, half the Capital in ruins as a minimum... how can you NOT send help to a situation like this?

    Like it or not the world regardless of political colour responds to such things and only the most partisan hacks would from the start exploit this disaster in attacks against the opposition. The world responded when Pakistan needed help after an earthquake, when Iran needed help, when Asia needed help after the Tsunami and when the US was hit by Katrina.

    As for the criticism that the aid is not going forward fast enough.. moron journalists who dont have a clue on how such things work.

    Fact: The Port has been destroyed making the airport the only suitable place in the start to get aid in.

    Fact: The airport was hit also leaving no air traffic control tower or power at the start. That had to be fixed and that took hours.

    Fact: The airport has 1 runway and limited place.. it aint no JFK.

    Fact: The Hatian government and the UN (and others) were hit just as hard as the population by this. The Presidential palace was destroyed and the UN HQ. 800 UN troops are missing. All the main infrastructure of government was hit, most being destroyed. Setting up new such things takes a buttload of time for the best.. and Haiti aint the best in such things.

    Fact: The infrastructure in many areas have been destroyed. Roads, bridges, power, telecommunications and so on. Roads are littered with bodies and fallen houses. Getting trucks and aid through that is a challenge. And speaking of trucks and cars. Quite a bit of those were also destroyed in the earthquake, so new ones have be flown in.. taking time.

    Fact: Getting a massive aid program going takes time. Even during Katrina it took days to get the whole system going on a full scale and that was in a country where the infrastructure before the disaster was top notch.. Haiti aint that kind of place. Getting the US air craft carrier there with helicopters and the hospital ship took almost 2 days and it was in the "neighbourhood". Getting people from outside in takes time like it or not. Getting materials in takes even more time.
    See? It is the United States showing their (wait......... for Cindy Lauper) true colors here, tee hee hee hee. Shining through...................so don't be afraid to quote Pete:wow
    "Like it or not the world regardless of political colour responds to such things and only the most partisan hacks would from the start exploit this disaster in attacks against the opposition."

    I guess he meant only in real world sense of things, as he just exercised an "online" sense of lunacy laced in hypocrisy.

    Yes Pete, you are supposed to be an intelligent and thoughtful ADULT. So STOP THAT CRAP.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    At least the US right are showing their true colours now.... pathetic attitude to human suffering.
    Yea. We show our true colors by sending ten thousand troops and a hundred million dollars, like we always do, even though we know swell individuals such as yourself will continue to crap all over America's head. And don't even get me started on the disparity between private donations. We provide enough of those to match the gross contribution of the rest of the world.

    So, Petey, how do you feel about the EU's donation of 4.3 million dollars? Maybe the Haitians can repave a few roads with that princely sum...

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    See? It is the United States showing their (wait......... for Cindy Lauper) true colors here, tee hee hee hee. Shining through...................so don't be afraid to quote Pete:wow
    "Like it or not the world regardless of political colour responds to such things and only the most partisan hacks would from the start exploit this disaster in attacks against the opposition."

    I guess he meant only in real world sense of things, as he just exercised an "online" sense of lunacy laced in hypocrisy.

    Yes Pete, you are supposed to be an intelligent and thoughtful ADULT. So STOP THAT CRAP.
    What the hell are you babbling about.. your posts make zero sense as usual and are as usual totally off topic. One wonders how you have not been banned yet for your constant baiting, personal attacks and attempting to derail threads..

    Let me say this again...

    a few wacko conservatives like you are not, have never been and never will be (i hope) the whole USA.


    The US response to this as I have stated elsewhere is highly commendable just like the rest of the world. The politicians standing together in Haiti's time of need is commendable. Bush, Clinton, Obama, both sides of congress (for the most part) side by side, working to help the people of Haiti..kudos. The US military is as always there to help, Kudos. The UN and the rest of the world, there as fast as they can, spending millions in aid as best they can.. Kudos. I commend the Brits who phoned in over 4 million dollars in under 24 hours in aid, I commend the Americans who did the same and got 10 million dollars. I commend all organisations on the ground and around the world working to help the people of Haiti in their hour of need.

    We should leave the political bs to after the disaster not during for god sake. It is times like this we need to stand together, just as we did on 9/11, Katrina, the Tusnami, and other disasters around the world. There will be plenty of time for the usual political crap later on.

    So I say again.. conservatives and others who use this disaster at its hight or just after it happened, in political attacks are pathetic worthless human beings with no heart.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The US response to this as I have stated elsewhere is highly commendable...
    Hell, you've already forgotten that you're arguing with Americans. You know, "the US"....

    Anyway, we don't need you to pat us on the head. I'm well aware of how commendable OUR response has been to virtually every world crisis in the past 100 years, including this one.

    ...just like the rest of the world.
    Laughable. The European Union pledged 4.3 million dollars. France sent 400 people. What did your beloved country send, Pete?

    The politicians standing together in Haiti's time of need is commendable. Bush, Clinton, Obama, both sides of congress (for the most part) side by side, working to help the people of Haiti..kudos. The US military is as always there to help, Kudos. The UN and the rest of the world, there as fast as they can, spending millions in aid as best they can.. Kudos. I commend the Brits who phoned in over 4 million dollars in under 24 hours in aid, I commend the Americans who did the same and got 10 million dollars. I commend all organisations on the ground and around the world working to help the people of Haiti in their hour of need.

    We should leave the political bs to after the disaster not during for god sake. It is times like this we need to stand together, just as we did on 9/11, Katrina, the Tusnami, and other disasters around the world. There will be plenty of time for the usual political crap later on.

    So I say again.. conservatives and others who use this disaster at its hight or just after it happened, in political attacks are pathetic worthless human beings with no heart.
    No, self-righteous, hypocritical Europeans are pathetic, worthless human beings with no heart. American conservatives and American liberals, on the other hand, are generous and compassionate.

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