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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Because everyone knows that warlords hate food. Can't wait till a volcano blows up in Washington state so our war troops and hired mercs can enforce their morals on me with the barrel of a gun.
    And your point would be ... what?

    Had you followed the thread you would understand that I wasn't endorsing the Somalian operation.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    The point of icing the warlord was to get him out of the way so they could hand out food.
    They were on a combat mission. Not a relief mission as you suggested. I believe they are supposed to be dangerous.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    They were on a combat mission. Not a relief mission as you suggested. I believe they are supposed to be dangerous.
    No ****, Sherlock. Do you understand the point I was making, or are you just being obtuse?

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Don't forget the light machine guns.
    LMGs are part of securing the supply lines and distribution points.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    No ****, Sherlock. Do you understand the point I was making, or are you just being obtuse?
    I suppose I don't. Can you explain it, because it went over my head.

    (not being sarcastic, it really did...)

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    I suppose I don't. Can you explain it, because it went over my head.

    (not being sarcastic, it really did...)
    I think his point is that the combat mission was in support of the relief mission.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not, that if we had acted decisively in the early hours of the occupation of Baghdad, things would have gotten better, sooner.
    Thousands of tonnes of men and equipment in a flattened city full of hungry wounded sick people does not move quickly unless it's organized.




    If that's SOP for any relief op, then it's apparent why most relief ops are total cluster ****s.

    How stupid is it to bring water to thirsty and starving people...last?!?

    That explains alot, thanks for the info.
    Because:
    A. More people will die of their injuries than will die from starvation or dehydration in the short term. And the longer that goes on the worse the problem gets.
    B. You don't get any ****ing volume at all of relief to where it's needed without firstly knowing where in the city it's needed, secondly knowing where it is possible to get it too, and thirdly being safe in the knowldege that you can do it again tomorrow. Otherwise the people who do actually need it don't know where to go to get it.

    Which is exactly why you don't rush the **** off with tonnes of stuff only to find yourself either fighting the local population off, or hung up all over the city in pockets needing to be dug out yourself.

    That officer is doing exactly the right thing.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think his point is that the combat mission was in support of the relief mission.
    I know that. But that is not how he put it.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Thousands of tonnes of men and equipment in a flattened city full of hungry wounded sick people does not move quickly unless it's organized.
    I don't think I said otherwise.





    Because:
    A. More people will die of their injuries than will die from starvation or dehydration in the short term. And the longer that goes on the worse the problem gets.
    B. You don't get any ****ing volume at all of relief to where it's needed without firstly knowing where in the city it's needed, secondly knowing where it is possible to get it too, and thirdly being safe in the knowldege that you can do it again tomorrow. Otherwise the people who do actually need it don't know where to go to get it.

    Which is exactly why you don't rush the **** off with tonnes of stuff only to find yourself either fighting the local population off, or hung up all over the city in pockets needing to be dug out yourself.

    That officer is doing exactly the right thing.
    Now you're just stating the obvious, my friend. I never once suggested that logistical planning was key.

    What I was saying, is that the priority, initially, is to get food and water to the people that need it. Everything else is motivated by that goal.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think I said otherwise.







    Now you're just stating the obvious, my friend. I never once suggested that logistical planning was key.

    What I was saying, is that the priority, initially, is to get food and water to the people that need it. Everything else is motivated by that goal.
    Of course it is. But the initial comment I was responding to was something about "Lets just get the stuff into the city" or somesuch. As you know yourself, there is more to that then simply loading trucks and driving. Which is mostly why the supplies were sitting at the airport and the officer in question was waiting to get them moving.

    His job is made even more difficult because he has tonnes and tonnes of stuff coming in from everywhere to an airport that is essentially leveled. I'm guessing that a big part of their job is actually sorting out what is what.

    And under those circumstances I totally understand that they would take American supplies first (it's quicker to process) and they are doing a very very good job.

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