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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Python mate, my problem is that 2yrs ago when we visited, although we only stayed 10mins, we sat on our balcony of our suite, eating and drinking whilst the majority of the population lived with hunger, what realy upset us was when we got home we read the UN report on child rape on the Island.

    That coupled with the fact that Royal Caribean and Carnival pay their staff slave wages.

    A waiter will work 28 days out of every month, from 6am till 10pm for $30 + tips for those 28days.

    It also upset us to witness the worst of the ignorant arrogant bad manners of the vast % of the pax, gimme, gimme and not a please or thank you to be heard.

    We have never sailed on an American Line again.
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    So its not thier lack of haitian rescue, but the fact they suck and the people who sail em suck as well?



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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    As long as Haiti remembers who showed up, that's all that matters. **** the haters.
    The UN already had 9000 troops stationed in Haiti.
    GOAL is the first to get food to the people of Haiti.

    So please, thump your chest over something else.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Well if I am in his position, I have control of the guys on the ground with the guns, and I say deliver the aid as quickly as possible without regard to what the UN or any other organization says. Their lives aren't the ones in the balance.
    So how many sick and hungry Haitians are you as the force commander willing to shoot to ensure that the aid gets to where it's going intact? And where exactly are you supposed to deliver it too? And what are you to deliver?

    Honestly, you have noooooo idea.
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You're never been in the military right? One of the basic premises of the military is to follow orders. If you do your own thing you suffer severe consequences. It's just the way it is.
    If every commander went off on their own the whole thing falls apart. That commander is just one single facet of a ****ing huge logistics and engineering operation. His task was to get the supplies to Haiti intact, and to keep the lines of supply open. He has to wait for roads to be cleared, distribution centers to be prioritized and set up, crowd control to be in place, and then to get the right supplies and equipment to where it's needed.

    He completed phase one very well. BUt that's just the start.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The U.S. usually deploys troops in other countries during disasters. Why is this it so different this time? I remember Bush putting troops in Asia during the tsunami.

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    It is something the American government always does. All this bull**** about it doing it to get recognition is ridiculous.
    And it is appriciated. Trust me.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Nineteen American soldiers died handing out food in Somalia. That's 19 too many.
    19 troops died trying to arrest a local warlord. They weren't handing out food.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You just changed your entire argument.

    The United States has to do the right thing, but France gets to be practical.

    Which one is it? Are we supposed to be moral or practical?
    The US has ships and troops in the area. France doesn't. The US has the capacity to get supplies and equipment there. France doesn't. The US is already there. France isn't.
    Sending more troops into an already ****ed up situation brings it's own problems which make sorting out the mess worse.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    How pathetic! Not that I'm surprised, though.
    His decimal point is off.
    EU ministers pledge €412m ahead of talks with US, UN - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 19, 2010
    -it's 412M or a shade under $590M.

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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by ZGM View Post
    I don't get it.

    Why is President Obama allowing the war Bush started to continue? Doesn't he realize it's what's making the economy go south?
    Whatcha mean? Is the government having a tough time creating wealth?
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    Re: US to deploy 10,000 troops in Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Europe is not a country. . .can't paint them all with one brush. There's everything from Bulgaria to Iceland - a huge, different array of cultures and politics.

    Refering to Europe as one unified area is like refering to 'the Americas' in a reference about North and South America politics and drawing conclusions based on that when were different entities with a few threads that bring us together and divide us at the same time (like NATO).

    Quite a few European countries are offering support - any support helps so I wouldn't consider any of it to be paltry.
    One reason we (as Europe) can't send a large volume of troops is because we have no central Rapid Reaction Force as such. In fact there are many countries whos populations oppose such a thing as it may be seen as a loss of sovereignty to have to send your troops to a war that may not concern your country. Take the Iraq war for example. Italy, Spain, and the UK sent troops. Germany, France etc didn't
    If those countries had been envolved in a EU wide RRF do we or do we not send troops?

    Secondly, most countries in Europe are already members of NATO, why would they need to sign up to yet another pact which already covers most of their needs?

    These two things make the largescale deployment of troops outside NATO or the UN difficult to arrange.

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