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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post

    After a precursory google search it doesn't appear as if the computer were that old in the Capital.

    Which of course has nothing to do with the OP.
    I disagree. Companies are notorious in not upgrading their IT infrastructure unless they are forced to do so, and I doubt that government is any different. Now software is not the main problem but the size of the computers are. A 6+ year old machine simply does not run modern software that well.. it is slow and that hampers productivity.

    That is why knowing what type of machines the software is being run on is crucial in make a judgement on if this guy is blowing hot air or has a point.
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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I disagree. Companies are notorious in not upgrading their IT infrastructure unless they are forced to do so, and I doubt that government is any different. Now software is not the main problem but the size of the computers are. A 6+ year old machine simply does not run modern software that well.. it is slow and that hampers productivity.

    That is why knowing what type of machines the software is being run on is crucial in make a judgement on if this guy is blowing hot air or has a point.
    Lets see, you disagreed with what you quoted, yet nothing you quoted is incorrect.
    The Capital's computers apparently were newer than 6+ years old.
    And their computers has nothing to do with the OP.
    So there was no reason for you to even go there.


    Now back to the OP.
    Of which we are apparently in agreement.

    If you didn't notice I had already acknowledged the point you are making when I said the following. (even though not as detailed as your reply)
    "The argument could be made that as soon as they buy something new it is already outdated."

    But I will say again the following.
    "Which doesn't really mean that they are ineffective."

    Which is why I said the beginning two sentences.
    "I would like to know exactly what is he talking about.
    How old are these computers, etc... ?"


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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Lets see, you disagreed with what you quoted, yet nothing you quoted is incorrect.
    The Capital's computers apparently were newer than 6+ years old.
    And their computers has nothing to do with the OP.
    So there was no reason for you to even go there.


    You went there I did not. I just gave an example of government IT systems via an article about the White House. Here there is no mention on the age of the systems only the age of the software. And considering that companies and organisations rarely upgrade their systems unless they are forced to do so, then one can easily assume that the PCs on which the 6 year old software is running on, most likely are just as old. And that is why I would love to see the specs of the machines that Government uses, regardless if it is the Capitol, local or other agencies.

    Now back to the OP.
    Of which we are apparently in agreement.

    If you didn't notice I had already acknowledged the point you are making when I said the following. (even though not as detailed as your reply)
    "The argument could be made that as soon as they buy something new it is already outdated."

    But I will say again the following.
    "Which doesn't really mean that they are ineffective."

    Which is why I said the beginning two sentences.
    "I would like to know exactly what is he talking about.
    How old are these computers, etc... ?"


    fine we agree somewhat.

    Sure having a 4 year old machine running 6 year old software does not mean that they are ineffective, but running 6 year old software on a 8 year old machine and then you bet it is ineffective. And even if it is a 4 year old machine, it could easily be a cheap piece of crap sold in bulk. We all know where computer companies save money.. ram was one once. It has taken a very long time for computer manufactures to go from 512 mb as standard to 2 GB as standard and even some are holding back. And anyone with just a bit of pc knowledge knows that a pc running 512 mb ram is slow and adding another 512 mb ram will speed it up considerably depending on what you use it for.
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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You went there I did not.
    No Pete.
    You went there first in post #7 with the following.
    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Obama Staff Arrives to White House Stuck in Dark Ages of Technology

    One member of the White House new-media team came to work on Tuesday, right after the swearing-in ceremony, only to discover that it was impossible to know which programs could be updated, or even which computers could be used for which purposes. The team members, accustomed to working on Macintoshes, found computers outfitted with six-year-old versions of Microsoft software. Laptops were scarce, assigned to only a few people in the West Wing.
    I only responded to where you went and stated that after a precursory google search, it didn't appear that their computers were out of date and that this specific thing had nothing to do with the OP.

    I hope we are straight on that now.

    As for the rest, I believe we are in agreement.
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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    Ha! That's a good one!

    What a bunch of baloney...

    The government is ineffective because there are too many laws and too much government. They should all go get real jobs.

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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Ha! That's a good one!

    What a bunch of baloney...

    The government is ineffective because there are too many laws and too much government. They should all go get real jobs.
    Then what is the excuse for private companies? They are just as ineffective many of them.. especially the big ones.
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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Then what is the excuse for private companies? They are just as ineffective many of them.. especially the big ones.
    Please list all of these ineffective companies. Most of them reside in Spain no doubt.
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    Re: Budget director blames old computers for ineffective government

    This is a bunch of hooey. Government ineffeciency is strictly a matter of the size and complexity of the beaurocracy.

    I'm running on a 5 year-old machine powered by Windows 2000 and a half-gig of RAM. I've got plenty of horsepower left over for screwing off in my free time.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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