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    Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    FOXNews.com - Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    The White House has reached a deal with health care negotiators, including labor unions, on taxing the high-level "Cadillac" plans that workers with high-risk jobs often purchase.

    The excise tax on high-cost insurance plans has been one of the biggest sticking points in the negotiations, as President Obama has favored the Senate plan which calls for the tax, while House Democrats preferred raising taxes on high-income earners.

    A senior Democratic official speaking on background told Fox News that the threshold for exemption would be raised from $23,000 to $24,000 per family but would remain the same at $8,500 for singles with high-value plans. Dental and vision plans would be removed from that calculation, however.

    State and local workers and union members are exempted until 2017.
    ****ing fantastic. What is good for the goose is not good for the union member.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    The goonion members are probably stupid enough to think they've accomplished something and will withdraw their opposition to the fascification (that's a word!) of America.

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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

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    ****ing fantastic. What is good for the goose is not good for the union member.
    Who is surprised by this?

    It's a government program, built on a bull**** consensus.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

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    ****ing fantastic. What is good for the goose is not good for the union member.
    Was listening to some radio show host last night saying 2 neighbors may have the same health care plan, but the non-union person gets to pay 40% tax and maybe cannot afford that additional tax so then must look for a different plan or go to a government funded plan. This is quite disturbing but no unexpected at all... the Democrats get their bread buttered by the unions so, it was expected.

    So now we have unions and Nebraska getting free healthcare. Wonder what a union member IN Nebraska gets?
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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    ****ing fantastic. What is good for the goose is not good for the union member.
    how many plans do you know of that cost over 24k per year?

    and this:

    Union officials are also pushing to provide that anyone who makes $200,000 or less would be excluded from the health plan benefits tax, a concession that would also benefit employees who are not unionized.
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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    Seems to me that such a clearly discrminatory law would violate the 14th Amendment.

    But the Democrats love discrimination, we know.

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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    how many plans do you know of that cost over 24k per year?
    It's none of my business, and if someone wants to pay a lot for health insurance and can afford it is not a justification for punishing them via egregious taxes.

    Not in the America I grew up in, where everyone is supposed to be equal before the law.

    Why should someone who can afford a plan like that be punished?

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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    how many plans do you know of that cost over 24k per year?
    It must be a lot, because the government projected that the excise tax would raise $150 billion over 10 years. If you remember correctly, that would be about 17% of the total cost of the health care bill.

    You can't have it both ways. If the tax is going to raise a lot of money, then it's going to affect a lot of people. If it's not going to affect a lot of people, then how is it going to raise all this money and why is it so controversial?

    and this:
    And has that happened? Given the union's apparent willingness to throw everyone else under the bus, I'm not holding my breath. Furthermore, it gets at the same thing I mentioned above. As you exempt more and more people from having to pay for the program, you gut its revenues.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's none of my business, and if someone wants to pay a lot for health insurance and can afford it is not a justification for punishing them via egregious taxes.

    Not in the America I grew up in, where everyone is supposed to be equal before the law.

    Why should someone who can afford a plan like that be punished?
    um.....this is not the plan. the plan is to tax the insurance benefit provided by an employer if the value is over 24k for a family. YOU won't be taxed for what YOU buy.

    or do i have it wrong?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

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    Re: Deal Reached on Taxing 'Cadillac' Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It must be a lot, because the government projected that the excise tax would raise $150 billion over 10 years. If you remember correctly, that would be about 17% of the total cost of the health care bill.

    You can't have it both ways. If the tax is going to raise a lot of money, then it's going to affect a lot of people. If it's not going to affect a lot of people, then how is it going to raise all this money and why is it so controversial?



    And has that happened? Given the union's apparent willingness to throw everyone else under the bus, I'm not holding my breath. Furthermore, it gets at the same thing I mentioned above. As you exempt more and more people from having to pay for the program, you gut its revenues.
    well, i don't really know anyone that has insurance worth over 24k for a family, that's provided by their employer. of course, i don't know any ceo types.

    as for the 200k limit, i think that will happen.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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