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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    - reinstatement of the caliphate and reunite the "dar el Islam."
    Reinstate by.....getting Jews and Christians out....right?

    This would entail the overthrow of all ME regimes and the restitution on Sharia law.
    How they doin? Invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq work towards this end?

    This is much more than Israel or US opposition.
    But cannot occur with US presence and Israel's existence.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Reinstate by.....getting Jews and Christians out....right?
    Not necessary.



    This would entail the overthrow of all ME regimes and the restitution on Sharia law.
    How they doin? Invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq work towards this end?
    They are ancillary to MB efforts. There is only a small MB influence in either state. Are you confusing Al Qaeda with the Muslim Brotherhood? They are distinct. The MB would be happy with regime change in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, African countries.

    But cannot occur with US presence and Israel's existence.
    Not necessarily true as I mentioned above. However, the US presence does secure many of the regional regimes.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

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    Tell me Harry, what was the percentage of information technology workers in 1939, how about healthcare?
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Reinstate by.....getting Jews and Christians out....right?



    How they doin? Invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq work towards this end?



    But cannot occur with US presence and Israel's existence.

    You're debating a point made by research done on Wikipedia...

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not necessary.





    They are ancillary to MB efforts. There is only a small MB influence in either state. Are you confusing Al Qaeda with the Muslim Brotherhood? They are distinct. The MB would be happy with regime change in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, African countries.


    Not necessarily true as I mentioned above. However, the US presence does secure many of the regional regimes.
    Bottom line is this, With the U.S. and Israel in the picture the MB can't "win". And while we might not be able to win at least we keep them from winning. And it's not always about winning. Just not losing.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post


    DID YOU JUST USE WIKIPEDIA AS A SOURCE???
    No harm, no foul. Wikipedia is useful as an information source, especially when they cite source documents, like they did in this case: http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscel...wanAmerica.pdf

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Tell me Harry, what was the percentage of information technology workers in 1939, how about healthcare?
    Heathcare is a drain on an economy. It does not create wealth. Someday everyone will either work for the government or in heathcare and then we won't be able to buy all those Chinese goods.
    We are losing IT jobs faster than they are being created. Manufacturing and agriculture create wealth for a country.

    http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseco...g_problems.cfm

    Since 2001, the nation has lost more than 2.5 million manufacturing jobs and more than 850,000 professional service and information sector jobs. No one knows for sure how many of these jobs have been lost due to increased import competition and shifts in production abroad, since no comprehensive official data are collected. Various independent estimates indicate the number of white-collar jobs lost to shipping work overseas over the past few years is in the hundreds of thousands and millions are at risk in the next five to ten years. But the number of jobs lost need not be overwhelming in order to concern policymakers: increased overseas outsourcing also undermines wages and working conditions in those jobs left behind and threatens the long-term health of the economy.
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    Bottom line is this, With the U.S. and Israel in the picture the MB can't "win". And while we might not be able to win at least we keep them from winning. And it's not always about winning. Just not losing.
    That's a good point.

    The problem is that as ME countries become more democratic, and I expect them to over time, the MB will gain influence electorally. There will continue the struggle between moderates and extremists - between secularists and Sharia religionists. In many places, the extremists are winning. We don't hear moderate voices from the muslim world.

    We still have many challenges ahead and they aren't all solvable by the military.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Are you confusing Al Qaeda with the Muslim Brotherhood? They are distinct. The MB would be happy with regime change in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, African countries.
    They are similar in many ways and one cannot limit this debate to the MB. They both want a Sharia that dominates state governments, they want no part of self-determination. They would like to see regime change as well in Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Islamic States. And they are both militantly opposed to US presence and Israeli existence.

    Not necessarily true as I mentioned above.
    So, the primary goal...this Islamic Caliphate..is possible with an American supported Jewish State occupying Palestine and Jerusalem...and the United States steaming Strait up the Hormuz of Arabia on a daily basis? I think not.

    However, the US presence does secure many of the regional regimes
    And makes insecure the interests and goals of both the MB and al-Qaeda. And if you say these two wars ancillary to either group's primary goals...uhhh yea...ok. I'm sure elections in these two nations and the democratic cries from Iran signal prosperity and a bright future if you're a Sharia Law fan.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    shocked2 Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
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    DID YOU JUST USE WIKIPEDIA AS A SOURCE???
    Kill the messenger, eh Max? Your overuse of smilies was puerile plus against forum rules. So is ridicule.

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