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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

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    Not all wars are fought at the point of a sword or down the sight of a gun.
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    Got a history book in your home, your explanation found there.
    My point gentlemen is that the Muslim Brotherhood cannot be attacked with military means. The military is superb at conventional warfare. They are damn good at counterinsurgency and intelligence. They are not very good at information warfare. That is something better suited for the CIA and the State Department, as well as some unknown agencies of both the government and the private sector.

    So, what specifically can the MILITARY do against the Muslim Brotherhood. What do the history books tell us Charles?

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

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    WMDs in Iraq = Excuse to invade

    Also, help people in our country? America is famous for that right? We rarely help ourselves. Know why? Because we have it good. Not perfect but better than most even now.
    So in your mind Bush invaded Iraq to help innocent people? That's a good one.

    History will show that invading Iraq was one of the greatest mistakes ever made. As soon as we leave the three factions will commence fighting over the oil again and we will just have to go back in and on and on and on....

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    Bugs,

    Get your ass back on topic or get out of the forum.

    Thanks.

    Jawohl, mein Führer!

    Some of the ways to fight the war on terrorism:

    1. Follow the money. Track down the terrorists bank accounts and sabatoge them.

    2. Propaganda. We have the best propaganda apparatus in the world. Get Disney to help. Get the advertising industry to use subliminal messages to brainwash and make our enemies look demonic.

    3. Use covert methods to undermine the enemy, including sabotage and assassination. A bullet is cheaper than a drone missile.

    4. Hire Oliver stone as our propaganda czar.

    5. Bombard their airwaves with Barbra Streisand's "People" 24/7 and drive them insane.

    6. Put lsd in their water supply.

    7. Put a bounty on them and hire Dog, the Bounty Hunter.

    8. Make sure that our agents know or learn arabic. Most of them can understand english unlike some of the poster here.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    My point gentlemen is that the Muslim Brotherhood cannot be attacked with military means.
    And my question was, do you own a history book? What "means" has been used to attack this "Muslim Brotherhood" to great success before?

    The military is superb at conventional warfare. They are damn good at counterinsurgency and intelligence. They are not very good at information warfare. That is something better suited for the CIA and the State Department, as well as some unknown agencies of both the government and the private sector.
    But...once the CIA and State departments give information...like where al-Qaeda camps are, where leadership currently resides...whose turn at bat then cause...the CIA and State Depts ain't soldiers.

    So, what specifically can the MILITARY do against the Muslim Brotherhood. What do the history books tell us Charles?
    Look up the conflicts with the Muslim Brotherhoods throughout history. Whether with this nation, Christianity, or Israel. How were those conflicts ended?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    And my question was, do you own a history book? What "means" has been used to attack this "Muslim Brotherhood" to great success before?
    I am no expert on the MB. I do know that it started in Egypt. There are offshoots in Gaza (Hamas), I think Lebanon (Hezbollah), Europe and the US. Each of these groups operates appropriate to it's environment.

    Egypt - mainly a political organization with representation in Egypt's parliament. Mubarak has severely suppressed the MB with his security forces over the years to little effect. MB is alive and well.

    Gaza - Hamas is in charge, armed and capable of launching annoyance attacks into Israel. It is a complete operation in that it has a political arm and a military arm and the political arm provides education, health care, etc in outreach ops. MB is alive and well.

    Lebanon - Hezbollah is in charge in southern Lebanon. It has representation in Lebanon's government, including either the PM or the President, I believe. Capable of starting a war, either internally or externally. A complete operation in theat it has a political arm and a military arm and the political arm provides education, health care, etc in outreach ops. MB is alive and well.

    Europe - Intelligence and information warfare operations. Influential with the governments in influencing perceptions and actions with respect to the muslim population. MB is alive and well.

    US - Intelligence and information warfare operations. Influential with the government in influencing perceptions and actions with respect to the muslim population. Consults and teaches classes at the FBI, DHS, State, CIA?, DoD on relations with the muslim population. Collects donations for activities in the US and the ME. Operates schools. Recruits in Mosques. Trains muslims in small unit combat ops. MB is alive and well.

    No means have been successful in combating the MB.

    But...once the CIA and State departments give information...like where al-Qaeda camps are, where leadership currently resides...whose turn at bat then cause...the CIA and State Depts ain't soldiers.
    Most MB organizations are not involved in combat ops, except Hamas and Hezbollah. They are not breaking the law, although they are self-declared "at war". Sedition/Treason may apply.

    Look up the conflicts with the Muslim Brotherhoods throughout history. Whether with this nation, Christianity, or Israel. How were those conflicts ended?
    They have not ended.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I am no expert on the MB...

    Lebanon - Hezbollah is in charge in southern Lebanon. It has representation in Lebanon's government, including either the PM or the President, I believe. Capable of starting a war, either internally or externally. A complete operation in theat it has a political arm and a military arm and the political arm provides education, health care, etc in outreach ops. MB is alive and well.
    On second thought, Hezbollah is a Shiite organization and has nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood, other than duplicating some of its strategies and operations. There may be an MB organization among the Sunni population of Lebanon; I don't know.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    They have not ended.
    Neither has Israel nor our presence in the ME. The Muslim Brotherhoods, al-Qaeda, what are their goals? Israel going away and the US out of the ME....correct?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Neither has Israel nor our presence in the ME. The Muslim Brotherhoods, al-Qaeda, what are their goals? Israel going away and the US out of the ME....correct?
    According to Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the first primary goal is:

    - reinstatement of the caliphate and reunite the "dar el Islam."

    This would entail the overthrow of all ME regimes and the restitution on Sharia law. This is much more than Israel or US opposition.

    Interesting to read about their intentions in the US: Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which says:

    One of these document, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is “settlement”, defined as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilization from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions.[81] In another one of these documents, "Ikhwan in America", it is revealed that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood),[82] as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA

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    rolleyes Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    According to Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the first primary goal is:

    - reinstatement of the caliphate and reunite the "dar el Islam."

    This would entail the overthrow of all ME regimes and the restitution on Sharia law. This is much more than Israel or US opposition.

    Interesting to read about their intentions in the US: Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which says:


    DID YOU JUST USE WIKIPEDIA AS A SOURCE???

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Jawohl, mein Führer!

    Some of the ways to fight the war on terrorism:

    1. Follow the money. Track down the terrorists bank accounts and sabatoge them.

    2. Propaganda. We have the best propaganda apparatus in the world. Get Disney to help. Get the advertising industry to use subliminal messages to brainwash and make our enemies look demonic.

    3. Use covert methods to undermine the enemy, including sabotage and assassination. A bullet is cheaper than a drone missile.

    4. Hire Oliver stone as our propaganda czar.

    5. Bombard their airwaves with Barbra Streisand's "People" 24/7 and drive them insane.

    6. Put lsd in their water supply.

    7. Put a bounty on them and hire Dog, the Bounty Hunter.

    8. Make sure that our agents know or learn arabic. Most of them can understand english unlike some of the poster here.
    Ok. Seriously. I can appreciate some good humor. But now you're annoying. I really dont wanna earn points. So please get on topic. All that crap is impractical or immoral.

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