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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    THANK YOU!!!!! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!

    But regardless of how [much] we contribute the war is being fought and we are not winning. So since you're so very knowledgable please tell me, why in the hell are we spending billions on a war we are losing???
    We are fighting in the wrong strategic battlefield. The military can't fight the Muslim Brotherhood, since the MB doesn't carry out military operations - they are strictly information warfare types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    We are fighting in the wrong strategic battlefield. The military can't fight the Muslim Brotherhood, since the MB doesn't carry out military operations - they are strictly information warfare types.

    The military CAN but ISN'T. This is due to our military leaders failure to actually come up with a plan of attack that can actually defeat our enemies. We keep trying the same thing over and over. Throwing money and men at this war is obviously not ending it.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    True, but that was when most of the money spent on ww2 was spent in this country and went fairly quick into american worker's pockets. Now it goes to China and the corrupt regimes that we support in the war.
    Massive government spending for WWII pulled us out of the depression. And after the war massive government spending kept us from falling back into recession. Without government programs like the GI Bill we would have never got back on our feet.

    The difference between Iraq and WWII is we already had all the men and materials. We didn't have to build thousands of planes, ships and tanks or draft millions of men. That is why the present wars are draining the economy instead of boosting it. Nation building is expensive and is hurting our country.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    War is never moral. No matter what you say or how hard you try you can NEVER justify the taking of a human life. But some things, moral or otherwise, must be done regardless. War is one of these things.
    I agree with war if it is for self defense. Since we have not been invaded by a foreign country I think that the war was too much of a knee jerk reactionary response to 9-11.

    There were other means to deal with it which would have been less costly in money and human casualties, especially civilian casualties.

    That's what happens when our leaders ignore the Constitution.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Massive government spending for WWII pulled us out of the depression. And after the war massive government spending kept us from falling back into recession. Without government programs like the GI Bill we would have never got back on our feet.

    The difference between Iraq and WWII is we already had all the men and materials. We didn't have to build thousands of planes, ships and tanks or draft millions of men. That is why the present wars are draining the economy instead of boosting it. Nation building is expensive and is hurting our country.
    Yeah but it doesnt really work that way. Just because we had the gear doesnt mean we didnt have to spend. War is exspensive and the more war materials you have the better your chance of victory even with poor leadership. America can not afford to lose this war. If we lose AND fall deeply into debt kiss our Super Power status goodbye. We have to lead the world or who will? China? Russia? We'll see how well that goes.

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    mad Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I agree with war if it is for self defense. Since we have not been invaded by a foreign country I think that the war was too much of a knee jerk reactionary response to 9-11.

    There were other means to deal with it which would have been less costly in money and human casualties, especially civilian casualties.

    That's what happens when our leaders ignore the Constitution.
    WHAT????

    Are you serious? Other way to deal with an attack that cost American lives on American soil???? No. War was the only response. We showed the world that if you **** with America you get ****ed back twice as hard.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Charles Martel, I think he was making a moral point and you are making a military point.

    Is this war moral?
    Is this the time to be asking that? Would you like to stand there with a bullhorn behind our troops as they awake every morning? Should they take you with them on patrol and on point with your bullhorn asking each trooper to their face if this is a "moral war?"

    No Sir, my point is very moral. We owe EVERYTHING to those souls now on the battlefield in American uniform. We do not have moral arguments once our Congress has specifically authorized war, Sir, that is an insane endeavor. Argue strategy...argue whether a soldier's behavior is moral, argue tactics and even change them when necessary. Arguing about being there.....isn't appropriate. Yer there. You're in the thick of the fight, swords have already been drawn.

    Whining....opposition based on "moral war" isn't relevant, these questions need to be answered beforehand...or after. We've men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan, Yemen and Pakistan. They come first. How more moral can you possibly be? And opposing them for political reasons...is there any greater immorality.

    Tighten the chin strap, Junior. Put your mouthpiece back in, quit talking, the ball has already been snapped. Standing there whining resolved to inaction is immoral, but, we'll have that discussion when we get back home. Right now, what say you get back in the game...the ball has been snapped.
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    It's beginning to sound like "Planet Of The Apes" on this topic.
    Last edited by LiberalAvenger; 01-15-10 at 11:38 AM. Reason: dam cat

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    mad Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Is this the time to be asking that? Would you like to stand there with a bullhorn behind our troops as they awake every morning? Should they take you with them on patrol and on point with your bullhorn asking each trooper to their face if this is a "moral war?"

    No Sir, my point is very moral. We owe EVERYTHING to those souls now on the battlefield in American uniform. We do not have moral arguments once our Congress has specifically authorized war, Sir, that is an insane endeavor. Argue strategy...argue whether a soldier's behavior is moral, argue tactics and even change them when necessary. Arguing about being there.....isn't appropriate. Yer there. You're in the thick of the fight, swords have already been drawn.

    Whining....opposition based on "moral war" isn't relevant, these questions need to be answered beforehand...or after. We've men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan, Yemen and Pakistan. They come first. How more moral can you possibly be? And opposing them for political reasons...that is the immorality.

    Tighten the chin strap, Junior. Put your mouthpiece back in, quit talking, the ball has already been snapped. Standing there whining resolved to inaction is immoral, but, we'll have that discussion when we get back home. Right now, what say you get back in the game...the ball has been snapped.
    You just did EXACTLY what the leaders of this war are doing.
    They say we're there now isnt the time. NOW IS THE TIME because later we might not be fighting. We arent going to wait until the fighting ends to say "Hey maybe we shouldnt have done that." How and why DO matter and always will. We refuse to ignore the fact that our kids are dying and the leaders of the Armed Forces are to blame! Do not sit there and tell me that this war is happening and that morality doesnt matter. If morals didnt matter we'd have nuked every single country we thought might even be close to sheltering terrorist after those damn planes almmed our buildings!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It's beginning to sound like "Planet Of Teh Apes" on this topic.
    So....your reply to our debating of your comment is to ignore what we say and change the subject? Nicely done.

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