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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Actually, War spending.... the great depression didn't end until we got into WWII.
    War spending is government spending. Hello? The government created millions of jobs to wage war.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    War spending is government spending. Hello? The government created millions of jobs to wage war.
    True... in a way, but just giving the government $787,000,000,000 to fritter away on pork won't help the economy one little bit, but spending billions of dollars to wage war does.... which was my point all along.
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    True... in a way, but just giving the government $787,000,000,000 to fritter away on pork won't help the economy one little bit, but spending billions of dollars to wage war does.... which was my point all along.
    What does it matter if the money is spent for war or anything else.
    Government spending is government spending. Government spending during WWII put people back to work. Be it as soldiers or building war materials. Following the Depression, World War II abruptly boosted federal spending to approximately 42 percent of GDP.
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    In what way is this war unconstitutional???????
    Article II, Section 8, "Congress has the power to declare war".

    This is not a "declared war by congress. They made a law called the "war powers act" that delegated their powers to the president. This is against the "separation of powers" enumerated in the constitution.

    Also there is an enumeration in the constitution that states, "congress shall make no laws" pertaining to a particular enumeration.

    Only a constitutional amendment can change the constitution.

    That's it in a nutshell but it is a complicated subject. Check out the federalist papers pertaining to Article II, Section 8.

    Also check the federal papers about the "separation of powers.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    "Consider the words of James Madison, the father of our Constitution: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”

    What does our Constitution say about war? Our Founders divided war into two separate powers: Congress was given the power to declare war and the president was given the power to wage war. What that means is that under our system of government, the president cannot legally wage war against another nation in the absence of a declaration of war against that nation from Congress.

    Again, reflect on the words of Madison: “The Constitution expressly and exclusively vests in the Legislature the power of declaring a state of war [and] the power of raising armies. A delegation of such powers [to the president] would have struck, not only at the fabric of our Constitution, but at the foundation of all well organized and well checked governments. The separation of the power of declaring war from that of conducting it, is wisely contrived to exclude the danger of its being declared for the sake of its being conducted.”

    Therefore, under our system of government although the president is personally convinced that war against a certain nation is just and morally right, he is nevertheless prohibited by our supreme law of the land from waging it unless he first secures a declaration of war from Congress. That was precisely why presidents Wilson and Roosevelt, who both believed that U.S. intervention in World Wars I and II was right and just, nevertheless had to wait for a congressional declaration of war before entering the conflict. And the fact that later presidents have violated the declaration-of-war requirement does not operate as a grant of power for other presidents to do the same."
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Perhaps this link to james Madison and the Federalist Papers will enlighten some people.

    Summary of Hamilton, Jay, and Madison: The Federalist - From WikiSummary, free summaries of academic books and articles.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Wanna bet?

    I think we will see both the dems and reps voting for more money for this unconstitutional war.

    We have the best government money can buy.
    I never mentioned the Reps, we know they are for defense. I thought we were pulling out? What happened, another broken campaign promise. boohoo
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    I wonder how much Hussein Obama iss going to give for a pay raise next year........This year for the first time in 30 years they got noting..........Thanks Hussein...........
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for military next year [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year - Yahoo! News


    "The extra $33 billion in 2010 would mostly go toward the expansion of the war in Afghanistan. Obama ordered an extra 30,000 troops for that war as part of an overhaul of the war strategy late last year.

    Military officials have suggested that the 2011 request would top $700 billion for the first time, but the precise figure has not been made public."




    Simply answer: No. End these wars. Enough is enough.
    I wish the fiscal conservatives could regain better control of the GOP, because this **** needs to be reigned in. During a recession to boot. Nice priorities.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I never mentioned the Reps, we know they are for defense. I thought we were pulling out? What happened, another broken campaign promise. boohoo
    As far as I am concerned it is a broken promise. I voted for Obama. I did not vote for McCain because it was too scary to think that Palin could possibly become president. Put simply, she is far to ignorant to be president. I probably would have voted for McCain when he was campaigning against Dubya but Duyba did some really dirty tricks agaomst McCain. McCain was too honorable a man to fight the likes of junior Bush.

    McCain seems like he is a little loopy, nowdays but I like him.

    Obama really jump started his bid for the presidency by inferring that he would quickly end the war, if elected. I expected him to know and respect our constitution enough to end this faux war. I mean he has enough education to know.

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