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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

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    Ah, balls!


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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We're closing in on a trillion overall for the wars. If you add up everything for the time we've been there. If I had to choose, gun to the head, Medicare of the wars....I'm going with Medicare. It may suck, but it's at least based on saving lives instead of taking them.
    So wars never solve problems, accomplish good, or save lives?

    Confronting hitler was a bad decision? Ousting Saddam was worse than letting him thrive? Protecting South Korea was pointless? Supporting West Germany was a poor choice?

    Doing NOTHING often can cost more life and money than doing something soon. Not all wars are "good" wars. But you'd be a fool to disregard the things they have achieved.
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    No we can't, but since we lost so many jobs all we are going to have left is government jobs and government handouts. What caused all the damage was corporate America sending jobs overseas. Even Glenn Beck knows this.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Wanna bet?

    I think we will see both the dems and reps voting for more money for this unconstitutional war.

    We have the best government money can buy.
    Just out of curiosity, how is this war unconstitutional?
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    In what way is this war unconstitutional???????
    Damn... beat me to it.
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The bottom line is: We cannot afford to continue to throw money into wars that we really shouldn't be in in the first place.

    You want to improve the financial situation of this country? Then stop spending billions of dollars fighting these endless wars.

    Seriously. People cry about the deficit and the state of the economy and then cheer loudly and think nothing about throwing billions of dollars into these wars.

    Seems a little inconsistent to me.
    You are aware of what pulled us out of the Great Depression, right?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You are aware of what pulled us out of the Great Depression, right?
    Government spending.

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Just out of curiosity, how is this war unconstitutional?
    "Consider the words of James Madison, the father of our Constitution: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”

    What does our Constitution say about war? Our Founders divided war into two separate powers: Congress was given the power to declare war and the president was given the power to wage war. What that means is that under our system of government, the president cannot legally wage war against another nation in the absence of a declaration of war against that nation from Congress.

    Again, reflect on the words of Madison: “The Constitution expressly and exclusively vests in the Legislature the power of declaring a state of war [and] the power of raising armies. A delegation of such powers [to the president] would have struck, not only at the fabric of our Constitution, but at the foundation of all well organized and well checked governments. The separation of the power of declaring war from that of conducting it, is wisely contrived to exclude the danger of its being declared for the sake of its being conducted.”

    Therefore, under our system of government although the president is personally convinced that war against a certain nation is just and morally right, he is nevertheless prohibited by our supreme law of the land from waging it unless he first secures a declaration of war from Congress. That was precisely why presidents Wilson and Roosevelt, who both believed that U.S. intervention in World Wars I and II was right and just, nevertheless had to wait for a congressional declaration of war before entering the conflict. And the fact that later presidents have violated the declaration-of-war requirement does not operate as a grant of power for other presidents to do the same."

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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Government spending.
    Actually, War spending.... the great depression didn't end until we got into WWII.
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    Re: Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    "Consider the words of James Madison, the father of our Constitution: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”

    What does our Constitution say about war? Our Founders divided war into two separate powers: Congress was given the power to declare war and the president was given the power to wage war. What that means is that under our system of government, the president cannot legally wage war against another nation in the absence of a declaration of war against that nation from Congress.

    Again, reflect on the words of Madison: “The Constitution expressly and exclusively vests in the Legislature the power of declaring a state of war [and] the power of raising armies. A delegation of such powers [to the president] would have struck, not only at the fabric of our Constitution, but at the foundation of all well organized and well checked governments. The separation of the power of declaring war from that of conducting it, is wisely contrived to exclude the danger of its being declared for the sake of its being conducted.”

    Therefore, under our system of government although the president is personally convinced that war against a certain nation is just and morally right, he is nevertheless prohibited by our supreme law of the land from waging it unless he first secures a declaration of war from Congress. That was precisely why presidents Wilson and Roosevelt, who both believed that U.S. intervention in World Wars I and II was right and just, nevertheless had to wait for a congressional declaration of war before entering the conflict. And the fact that later presidents have violated the declaration-of-war requirement does not operate as a grant of power for other presidents to do the same."
    And your point is? Last I heard, congress signed off on both of these wars.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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