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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Hitler killed a lot of liberals. He hated them. Rush hates liberals, too.

    I would bet that rush could be the winner in the book of world records as someone who has denounced liberals as much as he.

    Rush would not even have a show if it were not for liberals.
    Don't you mean liberals in the historical sense and not the American sense? If so, then Rush Limbaugh is also a liberal.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Well Oliver Stone is right in a way.

    He was an easy scapegoat for the allies after the war. For one he and Nazi Germany was blamed for a massacre of Polish officers in Poland and decades later we find out it was the Russians who did it. I would wager there are many such cases we are not aware of to this day.

    And lets not forget, that Hitlers ideas and views on many subjects was promoted and practised in Allied countries long before Hilter ever came to power in Germany. What Hitler in principle did was take it to another level but the basics was practised in many countries, everything from eugenics to "jewish quotas" over to barring certain minorities (Jews included) from public office or even certain private jobs.

    So yes Oliver Stone is some what correct and I look forward to see what he will make of this movie.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Don't you mean liberals in the historical sense and not the American sense? If so, then Rush Limbaugh is also a liberal.
    Wow Yeah, rush must be a freaking liberal then.

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    fyi Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Oh he was an easy scapegoat.
    Well that makes sense.

    Was it because of the millions of people that he executed for not fitting his "perfect" Aryan human being model, or was it because of his evil mustache?

    Perhaps both?
    There are many great enemies of the human race. Many mass murders. Why is Hitler singled out so very often?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    Stone is not incorrect in his statement. Hitler is VERY overused because he decided upon a course of action that most of the world does not agree with. If you look, however, in the history books of two very different nations there will be many people that the majority of the country considers a horrible person much like or exceding Hitler. Hitler is only used due to the fact that he is recognized by the entire world for what he did. Hitler was a visionary. Granted, his vision was not only impossible but also considered totally wrong by most cultures. But this does not change the fact that he is one of the greatest leaders in history and an extremely intelligent man. Many people could be considered worse than Hitler. He is nothing but a familiar symbol.
    That is why.

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    Question Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Well Oliver Stone is right in a way.

    He was an easy scapegoat for the allies after the war. For one he and Nazi Germany was blamed for a massacre of Polish officers in Poland and decades later we find out it was the Russians who did it. I would wager there are many such cases we are not aware of to this day.

    And lets not forget, that Hitlers ideas and views on many subjects was promoted and practised in Allied countries long before Hilter ever came to power in Germany. What Hitler in principle did was take it to another level but the basics was practised in many countries, everything from eugenics to "jewish quotas" over to barring certain minorities (Jews included) from public office or even certain private jobs.

    So yes Oliver Stone is some what correct and I look forward to see what he will make of this movie.
    Using that same logic wouldn't every enemy of every victor in every war be just as easy a scapegoat as Hitler? Wouldn't every oppressor or dictator be just as easy to blame and flame as Hitler?

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    Using that same logic wouldn't every enemy of every victor in every war be just as easy a scapegoat as Hitler? Wouldn't every oppressor or dictator be just as easy to blame and flame as Hitler?
    Not for WW2 it would not. There was one victor and one defeated in WW2. Hell even among the Axis they blamed Hitler. Like it or not Hitler is the uber villain and easy to blame since he did do many bad things so what is a few more.

    Take Italy. Even to this day the accepted idea is that it was the Nazi's that put in force many of the anti-Jewish and other minorities rules in Italy. It was the Nazi's not the Italians who sent the Italian Jews to the gas chamber. Well the truth is quite different. Italians were involved and the policies (not the gas chamber part) were in place before for several minorities before Italy joined the Axis. Italy back then was highly racist.

    Scapegoating of enemies or supposed enemies is quite common in history. As the saying goes, the victor writes the history books.

    Take the American Indians. They have always been seen as savages and brutal and not people defending their lands against invaders. Why? because the history books, movies and so on, are written and done by the victors. Another example is the Jews. For centuries they were scape goated by the Church and governments of Europe because they were easy targets. There are plenty of examples of rulers loaning a ton of money from Jews, then only to turn on them so he did not have to pay them back. The Romans used scapegoating through out there history.. that land was full of barbarians, they must be suppressed and so on.

    So scapegoating is very common even today.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Scapegoats refers to the innocent. Hitler was a villain who got what he deserved. Or was he just a patsy, like Lee Harvey Oswald?

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not for WW2 it would not. There was one victor and one defeated in WW2. .
    Not true. There were two distinct victors. The US and the Soviets and Stalin was as bad or worse than Hitler.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I see, and how young do you think I am?
    I guess you are 55

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I guess you are 55
    Well you're close.
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