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Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

"Often". "Often" meaning usually but not always. Therefore he doesnt need to be innocent to fit your definition.

I say again, prove to me he was an innocent.

You could always use an adjective to make what you say more clear. For example, an innocent scapegoat, or a guilty scapegoat. Which one would you use describing Hitler? Tell me.
 
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I say again, prove to me he was an innocent.

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I literally just said he doesnt HAVE to be innocent. MOST scapegoats are. MOST meaning NOT ALL. Hitler is one of the few.

And PeteEU has given several decent reasons Hitler is not fully to blame. Read his points.

An adjective is not needed when the definition clearly states the context in which the word should be used.
 
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LOL the hell there was.. Stop this revisionist crap. The Soviets were part of the Allies and key member. Without them the Allies would never have won. It was not the Allies and the Soviets, it was the Allies full stop and that included the UK, France, Poland at the start and later on the Soviets added and even later the US. There was other nations also btw.. governments in exile and so on, but the big wigs were the UK, France, USSR and the US.

But yes Stalin was just as bad.. well in my view worse actually, than Hitler, but that does not change the fact that Hilter was used as a scapegoat by all the Allies.

The Soviets blamed him and Nazi Germany for massacares they did for example. The Soviets killed the polish officers and blamed the Germans. The Soviets used KGB troops to kill normal troops who fled and blamed often the Germans for the deaths.

The US and UK blamed Hitler and his cronies for the disappearance of art across Europe and then decades later they suddenly turn up in US or UK "ownership". While I have no doubt the Nazi's stole a buttload of art, it is also very evident that allied troops "liberated" some of that and took it home. The western Allies blamed the Germans for bombing their cities.. yes that was true, but they still got the blame when the Allies went and killed 10s of thousands in deliberately set fire storms in German cities. Sure it was war, but the Germans got the blame for their own fate, and the people who actually made the call to use such a diabolical weapon got off scot free.

Or the modern myth that has been promoted since the war, that it was Hitler that basically started the eugenics programs with forced sterilizations, and targeted Jews or people looking like Jews for discrimination. No he did not, far from it. That came from the US and Sweden pretty much, but he gets all the blame despite the practices being used all the way up to the late 1970s among "Allied nations". We all cringe at the fact that handicapped and other undesirables were forced sterilized and even killed in Germany, but very few know that this was happening in the US, Sweden and other places long before Hitler even got to power.

Sorry but Hitler gets blamed for many things, much of it fully justified, but some of it was in no way his fault or that of Nazi Germany.

You said a mouthful but you offered no references for your assertions. Am I supposed to believe neo nazi propaganda. I offered a reference about eugenics and hitler in an earlier post. "Psychiatrists, Teh Men Behind Hitler" Check the link out.

The book is well documented with actual nazi archives, btw.
 
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I literally just said he doesnt HAVE to be innocent. MOST scapegoats are. MOST meaning NOT ALL. Hitler is one of the few.

And PeteEU has given several decent reasons Hitler is not fully to blame. Read his points.

An adjective is not needed when the definition clearly states the context in which the word should be used.

Getting a little Clintonese there? Btw. I could understand you better if I were a mind reader.
 
Your point is incorrect. Though we fought on different fronts we were still allied in the war and therefore a united force fighting on two fronts.

We were not a united force. They were grabbing territory and we were liberating peoples.
 
Oliver Stone is right. Hitler has been made into an easy scapegoat. What caused all of those Germans to turn on the gas, to goosestep? What made it so easy for thousands or millions to climb aboard with a plan that was so thoroughly twisted as the "final solution?"

was it just Hitler? when Hitler disappeared did everything else just go away?

to say that it was all just Hitler ignores context and ignores human nature. Hitler has been made into an easy scapegoat.
 
Than again, Hitler WAS a cartoonish monster.

The sad thing about the Hitler story isn't about the Man of Hate, but the men that followed him.

I can see that nations occasionally make mistakes and elect the wrong leaders, note the current US president, but when the entire government decides to follow him, that's the frightening part. And yet, all Hitler did was use the empty promises of socialism to convince the masses he was going to do well by them, and he got what he wanted.

What about the current US president?
 
Hitler was an easy scapegoat: Oliver Stone

ANI, 12 January 2010, 01:03am IST



Hitler was an easy scapegoat: Oliver Stone - UK - World - The Times of India

Seriously,he cannot personally beleive this can he? All I can hope for is that he trying to hype his latest project and willing to take heat to promote it.Has to be the least intelligent thing Ive seen offered up for public consumption since Obama told us middle class wouldnt have to have their taxes raised.

Hitler wasn't a 1 dimensional person,

"On 21 December 1907, Hitler's mother died of breast cancer at age 47. Ordered by a court in Linz, Hitler gave his share of the orphans' benefits to his sister Paula. When he was 21, he inherited money from an aunt. He struggled as a painter in Vienna, copying scenes from postcards and selling his paintings to merchants and tourists. After being rejected a second time by the Academy of Arts, Hitler ran out of money. In 1909, he lived in a shelter for the homeless. By 1910, he had settled into a house for poor working men on Meldemannstraße."

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler]Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

You could probably do a movie just on that portion of his life.
 
Full the love of everything holy, lets not make this about Obama.

It isn't even relevant to the topic and there are a 1,000 other threads dedicated to how crappy he is.

Please stop.
 
Full the love of everything holy, lets not make this about Obama.

It isn't even relevant to the topic and there are a 1,000 other threads dedicated to how crappy he is.

Please stop.

Why not? Stone supported Obama, didn't he? I'm sure he did, since Stone hates America.
 
Why not? Stone supported Obama, didn't he? I'm sure he did, since Stone hates America.

How right you are, fella. You cannot help. You cannot help at all.
 
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Get back on topic. Last warning.
 
Hitler wasn't a 1 dimensional person,

"On 21 December 1907, Hitler's mother died of breast cancer at age 47. Ordered by a court in Linz, Hitler gave his share of the orphans' benefits to his sister Paula. When he was 21, he inherited money from an aunt. He struggled as a painter in Vienna, copying scenes from postcards and selling his paintings to merchants and tourists. After being rejected a second time by the Academy of Arts, Hitler ran out of money. In 1909, he lived in a shelter for the homeless. By 1910, he had settled into a house for poor working men on Meldemannstraße."

Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You could probably do a movie just on that portion of his life.

A big hearty Heil Hitler to you, comrade.:rofl
 
I'm Jewish and even I can see the merit in Stone's comment.

Hitler wasn't a 1 dimensional person.

I agree but that doesn't improve his sanctity in my mind. Most of the kids today know little and could care less about his evil and I am afraid that he would be made into some kind of cult hero like the vampires have become.

Remember the movie "Stone Cold Killers"? It spawned copycats. Oh well, I guess that the price we pay for free speech.:(
 
I agree but that doesn't improve his sanctity in my mind. Most of the kids today know little and could care less about his evil and I am afraid that he would be made into some kind of cult hero like the vampires have become.

Remember the movie "Stone Cold Killers"? It spawned copycats. Oh well, I guess that the price we pay for free speech.:(

It's not about making him some saintly character but about exploring who he was beyond killer/military dictator.

Some of the worst people in history have been the most interesting.
 
It's not about making him some saintly character but about exploring who he was beyond killer/military dictator.

Some of the worst people in history have been the most interesting.

Yes, I agree. Interesting is a proper word. Sorry, I misconstrued your comment.:3oops:
 
And that somehow excuses his abuse of the power?

We'll assume somehow Stone will tie the Jews to plunging Europe into the second world war,thus justifying the warnings of their demise by Hitler for doing so?



I wasn't reading Stone's claim that Hitler as an "Easy Scapegoat" was excusing his abuse of power.

Hitler was a monster - one of many throughout history, however, as the previous poster identifies, there were many factors that contributed.

For decades, the role of Germany's economy between the wars has been seen as a factor allowing Hitler to rise to power, and also enabling the exploitation of anti semitism to be so easily exploited.

If we want to talk about the plight of Jews during this time, other nations could also have done a lot more to assist Jewish refugees fleeing Europe - the US turned people away, and the British interned their own Jews.

None of this makes anything Hitler did excusable - however it is very convenient to point the finger at Hitler alone, rather than acknowledging that other factors, including decisions made by allied powers, contributed to what happened during WWII.
 
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