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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Hitler wasn't a 1 dimensional person,

    "On 21 December 1907, Hitler's mother died of breast cancer at age 47. Ordered by a court in Linz, Hitler gave his share of the orphans' benefits to his sister Paula. When he was 21, he inherited money from an aunt. He struggled as a painter in Vienna, copying scenes from postcards and selling his paintings to merchants and tourists. After being rejected a second time by the Academy of Arts, Hitler ran out of money. In 1909, he lived in a shelter for the homeless. By 1910, he had settled into a house for poor working men on Meldemannstraße."

    Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You could probably do a movie just on that portion of his life.
    A big hearty Heil Hitler to you, comrade.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    A big hearty Heil Hitler to you, comrade.
    I'm Jewish and even I can see the merit in Stone's comment.

    Hitler wasn't a 1 dimensional person.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm Jewish and even I can see the merit in Stone's comment.

    Hitler wasn't a 1 dimensional person.
    I agree but that doesn't improve his sanctity in my mind. Most of the kids today know little and could care less about his evil and I am afraid that he would be made into some kind of cult hero like the vampires have become.

    Remember the movie "Stone Cold Killers"? It spawned copycats. Oh well, I guess that the price we pay for free speech.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I agree but that doesn't improve his sanctity in my mind. Most of the kids today know little and could care less about his evil and I am afraid that he would be made into some kind of cult hero like the vampires have become.

    Remember the movie "Stone Cold Killers"? It spawned copycats. Oh well, I guess that the price we pay for free speech.
    It's not about making him some saintly character but about exploring who he was beyond killer/military dictator.

    Some of the worst people in history have been the most interesting.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not about making him some saintly character but about exploring who he was beyond killer/military dictator.

    Some of the worst people in history have been the most interesting.
    Yes, I agree. Interesting is a proper word. Sorry, I misconstrued your comment.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Yes, I agree. Interesting is a proper word. Sorry, I misconstrued your comment.
    It's all good.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: Hitler an easy scapegoat

    Quote Originally Posted by Commoncents View Post
    And that somehow excuses his abuse of the power?

    We'll assume somehow Stone will tie the Jews to plunging Europe into the second world war,thus justifying the warnings of their demise by Hitler for doing so?


    I wasn't reading Stone's claim that Hitler as an "Easy Scapegoat" was excusing his abuse of power.

    Hitler was a monster - one of many throughout history, however, as the previous poster identifies, there were many factors that contributed.

    For decades, the role of Germany's economy between the wars has been seen as a factor allowing Hitler to rise to power, and also enabling the exploitation of anti semitism to be so easily exploited.

    If we want to talk about the plight of Jews during this time, other nations could also have done a lot more to assist Jewish refugees fleeing Europe - the US turned people away, and the British interned their own Jews.

    None of this makes anything Hitler did excusable - however it is very convenient to point the finger at Hitler alone, rather than acknowledging that other factors, including decisions made by allied powers, contributed to what happened during WWII.
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