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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    I think Redress hits the nail on the head....

    If Ice-T came out with a song specifically talking about how he IS going to kill the cops in his neighborhood for how they treat him I don't doubt he would've found himself in further legal trouble, but he didn't.

    This is what I'd ask Ikari....

    if this Soldier went and wrote a blog post stating:

    Obama says someone must be held responsible for this policy. It may not be soon but I will eventually hold those people responsible, and when I do they will find themselves in the hospital if not worse. They won't know its coming, I'll be walking up to them just as any other day, peaceful, until I surprise them. I will line them all against the wall, guns against their heads, and I will scream to them what I intend to do. And then, when they realize just how serious I am I will let my gun spray and rejoice as the bodies hit the floor. Then we will see this corrupt policy end.
    Would you also be saying he shouldn't be investigated, looked into, and possibly even jailed for threats?

    What if he walked up to his commanding officers and said it straight to their face that he intends to execute them all in short order? Would that be wrong in your mind?

    Since he put this threat to a beat does that suddenly make it okay? If I moonwalk back and forth through my house as I put together my plan and supplies for an attempted robbery which the police later find, am I to be left off on a technicality because I happened to be doing the illegal act while I was dancing?

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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think Redress hits the nail on the head....

    If Ice-T came out with a song specifically talking about how he IS going to kill the cops in his neighborhood for how they treat him I don't doubt he would've found himself in further legal trouble, but he didn't.

    This is what I'd ask Ikari....

    if this Soldier went and wrote a blog post stating:



    Would you also be saying he shouldn't be investigated, looked into, and possibly even jailed for threats?

    What if he walked up to his commanding officers and said it straight to their face that he intends to execute them all in short order? Would that be wrong in your mind?

    Since he put this threat to a beat does that suddenly make it okay? If I moonwalk back and forth through my house as I put together my plan and supplies for an attempted robbery which the police later find, am I to be left off on a technicality because I happened to be doing the illegal act while I was dancing?
    Was not my point actually, since I am just tired of all the innacuracies about that song(least Ikari did not refer to it as a rap song, which most still do). However, your point is well made and accurate to my mind.
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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Commoncents View Post
    Soldier jailed for angry rap song | ajc.com

    In the wake of Hasans meltdown it shouldnt really shock anyone that folks are going to take threats like this seriously. He should be in jail just for being the retarded whinebag he's projecting he is in his 'rap'.
    It always amazes me how many wine about stop loss,especially when it is in the contract.It wasn't like the military just invented stop loss yesterday.
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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It always amazes me how many wine about stop loss,especially when it is in the contract.It wasn't like the military just invented stop loss yesterday.
    Stoploss is legal, but it sucks when it happens to you. I cannot understand how any one could not see how it could make people very angry.
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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    He threatens to murder his military superiors and all he gets is a month in jail?

    They should have given him a blanket and deported him to Antarctica.
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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Did we throw Ice-T in jail for his song "Cop Killer"? No? Then this guy doesn't go to jail either. It's still America, land of the free. ****ing suck it up and accept it already. Bunch of whinny cry-babies out there wetting themselves over terrorism and allowing that to subvert our rights and liberties. People like that should get the hell out, move to Cuba or some place where they can give away all the freedom they want. Cry babies would make the founder vomit in disgust.
    This guy is in the service and therein lies the difference. Especially following the Ft. Hood massacre.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Stoploss is legal, but it sucks when it happens to you. I cannot understand how any one could not see how it could make people very angry.
    Stoploss is a military reality just like eating MRE's and sleeping in the mud. That's why I don't understand why people get mad when they're ETS is frozen during a time of war.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Did we throw Ice-T in jail for his song "Cop Killer"? No? Then this guy doesn't go to jail either. It's still America, land of the free. ****ing suck it up and accept it already. Bunch of whinny cry-babies out there wetting themselves over terrorism and allowing that to subvert our rights and liberties. People like that should get the hell out, move to Cuba or some place where they can give away all the freedom they want. Cry babies would make the founder vomit in disgust.



    Uhm, Ice-T wasn't in the Military.
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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Stoploss is legal, but it sucks when it happens to you. I cannot understand how any one could not see how it could make people very angry.
    It is part of your contract on the back of dd form 4/1.They do not have a right to bitch about stop loss, this "its a back door draft" is a load of crap.

    http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/i...rms/dd0004.pdf

    10. MILITARY SERVICE OBLIGATION, SERVICE ON ACTIVE
    DUTY AND STOP-LOSS FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE
    AND RESERVE COMPONENTS, INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
    GUARD.
    a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must
    serve a total of eight (8) years, unless I am sooner discharged or
    otherwise extended by the appropriate authority. This eight year
    service requirement is called the Military Service Obligation. Any
    part of that service not served on active duty must be served in the
    Reserve Component of the service in which I have enlisted. If this is
    a reenlistment, I must serve the number of years specified in this
    agreement, unless I am sooner discharged or otherwise extended
    by the appropriate authority. Some laws that affect when I may be
    ordered to serve on active duty, the length of my service on active
    duty, and the length of my service in the Reserve Component, even
    beyond the eight years of my Military Service Obligation, are
    discussed in the following paragraphs.
    b. I understand that I can be ordered to active duty at any time
    while I am a member of the DEP. In a time of war, my enlistment
    may be extended without my consent for the duration of the war and
    for six months after its end (10 U.S.C. 506, 12103(c)).
    c. As a member of a Reserve Component of an Armed Force, in
    time of war or of national emergency declared by the Congress, I
    may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on active duty, for the
    entire period of the war or emergency and for six (6) months after its
    end (10 U.S.C. 12301(a)). My enlistment may be extended during
    this period without my consent (10 U.S.C. 12103(c)).

    d. As a member of the Ready Reserve (to include Delayed
    Entry Program), in time of national emergency declared by the
    President, I may, without my consent, be ordered to serve on
    active duty, and my military service may be extended without
    my consent, for not more than 24 consecutive months (10
    U.S.C. 12302). My enlistment may be extended during this
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    e. As a member of the Ready Reserve, I may, at any time
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    (2) I have not met my Reserve obligation; and
    (3) I have not served on active duty for a total of 24
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    Re: Soldier jailed for threatening rap lyrics.

    I am aware it is part of the contract. It does not make it suck less, and if you are in the military, you can and will bitch.
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