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At least the trains will be on time.Rather fascist statement, eh?
At least the trains will be on time.Rather fascist statement, eh?
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
- Benjamin Franklin
I love any hyper partisan that thinks this kind of notion is reserved for either side.
Liberals do it too. Please, give up your freedom of choice and ability to worry about your own body for the security of knowing that father government will take care of you if you're sick.
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It goes both ways, both sides do it, just in different ways.
i didnt say it,ben franklin did!
never said it was reserved for either side...
No, but you spared no time to mention in any way the left and simply took it as an oppertunity to take hyper partisan pot shots at the right for something that is not exclusive to them but is the realm of all politics. The Ben Franklin quote is one of the most tired cliche's of all time in politics. Its also one of the most oft wrongly quoted ones. It is not a little liberty for a little security, but essential liberty for temporary security, which completely changes the inflection and meaning of the quote and makes it a much harder sell for using it to bludgeon over the heads of republicans.
does it not apply to racial profiling? :2wave:
Should we always do what the majority wants?
Does that make it the right thing to do?
So tell me disneydude, what would be your plan, if any, to protect the citizens? I am curious for the lib answer.
To be frank, the terrorists seem like they've taken Reagan's cold war strategy and improved upon it. Rather than having to spend a ton to force the enemy to spend a ton until they go bankrupt, the terrorists are barely having to spend much of anything and yet are causing the U.S. to go deeper and deeper into debt as more and more big government, big spending people in government here just want to continue to throw cash at the problem.
When flying back from Boston once, my ticket was red flagged and I was pulled aside at security and had to have every inch of my carry-on baggage rubbed down for residue, and I was forced into a machine that gave me a big ole full body blow job. The whole ordeal took about 20-30 minutes.
Why? Because my itinerary changed at the last minute. Not by my doing, mind you (the airline switched my plane), but my itinerary had a last minute change. That sends out a red flag. That is also profiling. And, it can be a very effective tool. Not in my case, obviously, but I can see why it is their SOP and I don't have an issue with it.
Oh my god, I agree with you.:shock:
I think that's a bit of an overkill. No one is saying that all Arabs or all Scandinavian or all Asians should be blocked or suspected. It's about trends and subtle details that become characteristic of those who commit terrorist acts.Just remember when you said this, NP:
Remember, you can't have it both ways. When one poll supports your position, and another does not, either they are both valid, or the both are not.
As to the OP. I think profiling is a poor word... or a word that has gotten a lot of negativity to surround it. If during the matter of a few years, several terrorist attacks on airplanes are performed by blonde-headed men, it makes sense to be more suspicious of blonde-headed men on airplanes. That does not mean that all blonde-headed men should not be allowed to fly... or should be harassed. But it stands to reason to be more aware when you see a blonde-headed man going on an airplane. This is not stereotyping. It is using past evidence to assist in making assessments.
I'm not sure whom you speak of, but I'll respond to the last sentence. There is nothing wrong with profiling, except that the guilty and PC object the most. For all I know I'm being profiled at the airport and don't even know it. Will there be some false alarms, yes, but the stereotype of the white grandmother being strip searched while 100 arabs fly through security has got to end. As yet not a single white grand mother has committed a serious crime onboard an aircraft but yet the stereotype exists. Like it or not stereotype have truth to them.Says the gentleman that is for:
Expanding Government Size
Expanding Government Power
Expanding Government Spending
Expanding Government involvement into private citizens lives
Expanding Government degredation of the constitution
You've yet, and never will, been able to show how I'm so dastardly liberal other than the fact I disagree with you that we need to full out racially profile people.
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I think that's a bit of an overkill. No one is saying that all Arabs or all Scandinavian or all Asians should be blocked or suspected. It's about trends and subtle details that become characteristic of those who commit terrorist acts.
I'm not sure whom you speak of, but I'll respond to the last sentence. There is nothing wrong with profiling, except that the guilty and PC object the most. For all I know I'm being profiled at the airport and don't even know it.