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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well it seems the silent majority does not agree with the members of DP who think profiling is wrong at least the liberals in DP feel that way........This is great to see because I believe strongly in profiliing and whatever else it takes to keep this country safe..........

    59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security

    59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security - Rasmussen Reports


    The Christmas Day terrorist attempt by a Nigerian Muslim on a U.S. airliner has reignited the debate on racial and ethnic profiling in airports, but most Americans agree that profiling is necessary to ensure airline safety.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 59% of adults say factors such as race, ethnicity and overall appearance should be used to determine which boarding passengers to search at airports. Twenty-six percent (26%) say these factors should not be used to determine which passengers to search. Another 15% are not sure.
    I hate polls. Nothing does more to harm the American electorate then polling.

    I dont need a poll to tell me what is common sense to most people.

    Of course we should racially profile. Anybody who says otherwise has lost their minds. No point in screening grandma or grandpa. Or mom. If your 45 or younger, Middle Eastern or are traveling from anywhere in the Middle East or elsewhere, you should be getting profiled by the USA security teams. Period. I dont really give a crap if they piss and moan about it. The foremost responsibility of our government is to protect us against our enemies both foreign and domestic. If they cant do that with a bit of common sense, then its just a matter of time before the whole thing crumbles.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't know why your surprised....He is as liberal as you are, maybe more..........
    He is probably a Barry Goldwater conservative which is good. I, myself am a John F Kennedy liberal who has learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

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    Of course we should racially profile. Anybody who says otherwise has lost their minds. No point in screening grandma or grandpa. Or mom.
    So you're saying we shouldn't screen women and old people? What about if "mom" is an under 45 year old middle eastern looking woman? Then do you screen her?

    If your 45 or younger, Middle Eastern or are traveling from anywhere in the Middle East or elsewhere, you should be getting profiled by the USA security teams.
    Please clarify what you are meaning by "getting profiled". In the bigger airports most everyone in some way shape or form is being "profiled" based on their actions. The very nature of you deciding that you're going to do something based on the fact they're under 45 and middle eastern in and of itself is profiling, so what FURTHER profiling are you wanting? Or are you meaning that if you're 45 or younger and middle eastern you should automatically be given further screening?

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you're saying we shouldn't screen women and old people? What about if "mom" is an under 45 year old middle eastern looking woman? Then do you screen her?
    No, we shouldnt screen women and old people.

    To be honest, if you are a Middle Eastern person, you should be fully vetted before being allowed to come here or set foot on a plane bound for the USA.



    Please clarify what you are meaning by "getting profiled". In the bigger airports most everyone in some way shape or form is being "profiled" based on their actions. The very nature of you deciding that you're going to do something based on the fact they're under 45 and middle eastern in and of itself is profiling, so what FURTHER profiling are you wanting? Or are you meaning that if you're 45 or younger and middle eastern you should automatically be given further screening?
    Yes, they should be be given further screenings. Background chekcs, the whole nine yards.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Yes, they should be be given further screenings. Background chekcs, the whole nine yards.
    Why?

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    Re: Poll on profiling

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    No, we shouldnt screen women and old people.

    To be honest, if you are a Middle Eastern person, you should be fully vetted before being allowed to come here or set foot on a plane bound for the USA

    Yes, they should be be given further screenings. Background chekcs, the whole nine yards.
    Thanks, you saved me from having to use the sesarch function to find some threads from a few weeks back.

    Hey American

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    I think that's a bit of an overkill. No one is saying that all Arabs or all Scandinavian or all Asians should be blocked or suspected. It's about trends and subtle details that become characteristic of those who commit terrorist acts.
    No One seems a bit inaccurate

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Says the gentleman that is for:

    Expanding Government Size
    Expanding Government Power
    Expanding Government Spending
    Expanding Government involvement into private citizens lives
    Expanding Government degredation of the constitution


    You've yet, and never will, been able to show how I'm so dastardly liberal other than the fact I disagree with you that we need to full out racially profile people.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong Disney Dude I mean Zyphlin...
    Well, you convinced me my Left Wing Friend. You put forth a stirring argument for why its wrong.

    Lets see...

    Expanding Government Size
    You're wanting all of the TSA to racially profile. This means we at the least are having the government hire trainers to teach people how to do this, meaning adding more people to the government payroll. At worst you're implimenting this TSA wide which is increasing the amount of trainers in a large part, not to mention likely requiring an entirely rewrite of the rules and regulations for TSA which would take employees and man hours, and a branch of the TSA to oversee this new security measure.

    Expanding Government Power
    Currently, the U.S. Government can no indiscriminately search people for no other reason than the fact they LOOK like a certain ethnicity. You wish to give them this power. Yep, looks like expanding government power.

    Expanding Government Spending
    As above, training is going to be needed for everyone that's going to be performing this duty which is going to cost a large amount of money. Not to mention the EXTREME constitutionality of this which will lead to lawsuits which will ALSO cost tax payer funds.

    Expanding Government involvement into private citizens lives
    I know its hard to imagine navy, but muslims and people of arabic ethnicity can be citizens. You're wanting United States citizens to be targeted and singled out based on nothing but the color of their skin or their religion to undergo further screening than an average citizen, thus stating that its fine for the government to indiscriminentally consider one citizen over the next more guilty for nothing but their heritage.

    Expanding Government degredation of the constitution

    1st, 4th, and 14th.

    Please Navy....explain to me this since I'm wrong...

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without increasing the size of government?

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without increasing the spending of government?

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without increasing the power of government?

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without decreasing the integrity of constitution?

    Come on Navy, if I'm "wrong" you should be able to explain those things easily.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, you convinced me my Left Wing Friend. You put forth a stirring argument for why its wrong.

    Lets see...

    Expanding Government Size
    You're wanting all of the TSA to racially profile. This means we at the least are having the government hire trainers to teach people how to do this, meaning adding more people to the government payroll. At worst you're implimenting this TSA wide which is increasing the amount of trainers in a large part, not to mention likely requiring an entirely rewrite of the rules and regulations for TSA which would take employees and man hours, and a branch of the TSA to oversee this new security measure.

    Expanding Government Power
    Currently, the U.S. Government can no indiscriminately search people for no other reason than the fact they LOOK like a certain ethnicity. You wish to give them this power. Yep, looks like expanding government power.

    Expanding Government Spending
    As above, training is going to be needed for everyone that's going to be performing this duty which is going to cost a large amount of money. Not to mention the EXTREME constitutionality of this which will lead to lawsuits which will ALSO cost tax payer funds.

    Expanding Government involvement into private citizens lives
    I know its hard to imagine navy, but muslims and people of arabic ethnicity can be citizens. You're wanting United States citizens to be targeted and singled out based on nothing but the color of their skin or their religion to undergo further screening than an average citizen, thus stating that its fine for the government to indiscriminentally consider one citizen over the next more guilty for nothing but their heritage.

    Expanding Government degredation of the constitution

    1st, 4th, and 14th.

    Please Navy....explain to me this since I'm wrong...

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without increasing the size of government?

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without increasing the spending of government?

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without increasing the power of government?

    How can we impliment full out racial profiling without decreasing the integrity of constitution?

    Come on Navy, if I'm "wrong" you should be able to explain those things easily.
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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So how are they suppose to provide for the common defense?
    Well, this most recent instance is the thing that sparked off the next amount of talks about profiling.

    This most recent instance could've been avoided if the policies we ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE were actually looked at closer and acted upon.

    It would cost little to nothing, require few additional expansion of the size of government, and would not give the Government any new powers.

    Additionally, as a conservative, I think you've got to take a pragmatic approach balancing ALL the principles of conservatism, not ****ting on a bunch of them simply and completely for "security". Even with racial profiling we are not 100% safe, and I don't think it would honestly create a LARGE tangible increase in the saftey of this country. The cost it would require to impliment, the expansion of government it would create, the amount of power we'd be giving the government ALL in my mind outweigh in their severity the potential benefit, which is rather small if you actually look at this. Not to mention the weakening of the constitution which liberal friends like Navy need to realize weakens not just the portions they don't give a crap about, but weakens it as a whole. You can't sit here and ignore potential violations of the 4th and 14th and then have a cow when someone does something that is a potential violation of the 2nd. The constitution is not something you get to pick and choose when its okay to bend and when its not.

    Its similar to the notion of cameras being put everyone, including in peoples homes. Arguably that would provide for the "Common defense" far more than broad racial profiling at airports. Yet again, the varying other principles I hold important are trampled upon in such a large way by allowing for such an action by the government that those negatives outweight the benefit.

    Not to mention you're using the same line of passage that also has the "Common Welfare" portion, in which case your exact same argument (that essentially ANYTHING that defends...or in this case ANYTHING that improves welfare) could be used for why the health care plan is constitutional and a good thing that conservatives shouldn't have issues with in regards to it expanding government.

    Expanding the size of government, Expanding the power of government, Expanding the cost of Government, Damaging the constitution....all for a relatively insignificantly small amount of additional security that would still not provide 100% protection....is far from something you can say is based on a complete conservative ideology.

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