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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

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    No, but you spared no time to mention in any way the left and simply took it as an oppertunity to take hyper partisan pot shots at the right for something that is not exclusive to them but is the realm of all politics. The Ben Franklin quote is one of the most tired cliche's of all time in politics. Its also one of the most oft wrongly quoted ones. It is not a little liberty for a little security, but essential liberty for temporary security, which completely changes the inflection and meaning of the quote and makes it a much harder sell for using it to bludgeon over the heads of republicans.
    does it not apply to racial profiling?
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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    All I can say is this is a sad day for an America built on freedom and liberty for all.
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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    does it not apply to racial profiling?
    Questionable honestly....

    The constitutionality of race as part of a broader profile is an oft debate constitutional matter that is not definitive nor clear cut. I would say personally that broadscale enhanced searching of EVERYONE that happens to LOOK to be of a specific ethnic heritage is a violation of the 4th and 14th; however using it as simply one facet of a much larger profile that needs numerous criteria to hit before taking action would be more questionable for me.

    So in regards to the sacrifice of ESSENTIAL liberty, that would be questionable to me on this count.

    Additionally, the entire premise of Ben's quote is a bit questionable. Our entire system of civil law is based off the notion of people sacrificing their liberties for exchange for temporary security...temporary in the notion that none of it can be garaunteed. I always in part question peoples use of Ben's quote in the current day, when there are dozens upon dozens of examples in our code of law in which things that COULD be argued as being part of that essential liberty....or, in the case of how most liberals who tend to use it since it proliferated around the internet following the Patriot Act, just "liberty"....have been taken away in exchange for security, by both liberals and conservative,s but you neve hear liberlas screaming about it unless it happened to be placed in there by a conservative.

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    Re: Poll on profiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Should we always do what the majority wants?

    Does that make it the right thing to do?
    When it comes to our safety, Yes........
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    Re: Poll on profiling

    Quote Originally Posted by HILLBILLY View Post
    So tell me disneydude, what would be your plan, if any, to protect the citizens? I am curious for the lib answer.
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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    How about behavioral profiling, since its been proven to work.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    One of the strategies of the Islamic terrorists is to undermine our freedom. The more paranoid we become the more likely we are to trade our freedom for safety's sake.

    I care less about my safety than I do my personal freedom.

    We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

    If this were a war according to our constitution instead of the unconstitutional war power's act it would be a different story. It's a faux war.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    To be frank, the terrorists seem like they've taken Reagan's cold war strategy and improved upon it. Rather than having to spend a ton to force the enemy to spend a ton until they go bankrupt, the terrorists are barely having to spend much of anything and yet are causing the U.S. to go deeper and deeper into debt as more and more big government, big spending people in government here just want to continue to throw cash at the problem.

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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    The undie-bomber was black, right? So are we just talking about profiling non-whites?
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    Re: 59% Favor Racial, Ethnic Profiling For Airline Security [Title edited]

    Whoever made the comment about body cavity searches is right - this sort of profiling won't help in the security lines because unless you go to EXTREME measures, the enemy will always figure out a way around it.

    We can get the most "bang for the buck" by actually using the no-fly lists and other security measures we've already come up with. It seems like we've got the tools to identify threats - it's just that people aren't using the info as they should.

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