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    Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Jury selection begins Monday in the trial of Scott Roeder, who is accused of killing a Kansas doctor known for performing late-term abortions.


    Police and prosecutors say Mr. Roeder walked into the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita last May 31 and shot Dr. George Tiller once in the head.
    Now here is the part I find disturbing:

    Judge Wilbert also said he was open to the defense presenting evidence that Mr. Roeder might be guilty not of first-degree murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison, but of the far lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter, which carries a sentence of about five years.
    Manslaughter? 5 years for premeditating a murder, then walking through the door and shooting someone in the head? I don't buy it. If this is how it turns out for crazy radical righties, then would crazy radical lefties be justified for only a 5 year sentence for assassinating the president because they feel he is killing "innocent" people in Afghanistan? In either case, murder is murder, under the laws of the land.

    If I had my way, this killer would be tried as a terrorist, and given the maximum sentence that is usually reserved for those who commit acts of terrorism, because this is exactly what it was - an act of terrorism.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    All he said was that he would allow the defense to make such an argument; he never said he sympathized with it.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now here is the part I find disturbing:



    Manslaughter? 5 years for premeditating a murder, then walking through the door and shooting someone in the head? I don't buy it. If this is how it turns out for crazy radical righties, then would crazy radical lefties be justified for only a 5 year sentence for assassinating the president because they feel he is killing "innocent" people in Afghanistan? In either case, murder is murder, under the laws of the land.

    Article is here.
    Since I applaud the man for taking out a baby serial killer I hope he gets the most lenient sentence possible assuming that is why he performed a late term abortion on a late term abortion provider.



    If I had my way, this killer would be tried as a terrorist, and given the maximum sentence that is usually reserved for those who commit acts of terrorism, because this is exactly what it was - an act of terrorism.
    The act of killing one person is not a act of terrorism. Heck if he went around just killing abortion doctors he still would not be a terrorist, he would be just a serial killer ironically taking out serial killers. If he blew up abortion clinics then yeah that would be a terrorist act.

    I am sure many abortionist and closet abortionist will harp on me for making my comments but **** them. If this guy killer someone they viewed to be no different than Jeffery Dhamer or Charles Manson they would not be condemning Scott Roeder. Nor would the cowards who consider themselves to be anti-abortion(not the phonies who say they think abortion is morally wrong but not morally wrong enough to want it illegal, but those are actually opposed to abortion) but are worried about the abortionist (yes the same people who have no problem with babies being killed) painting anti-abortionist as loons.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If I had my way, this killer would be tried as a terrorist, and given the maximum sentence that is usually reserved for those who commit acts of terrorism, because this is exactly what it was - an act of terrorism.
    I would like to see this, as well.

    It does sound like the judge is allowing those two defenses as a compromise, since Kline's first choice defense, justifiable homicide, is not an option in Kansas.

    I do not, however, think that Kline's defense will be at all successful.
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    I am hopeful that the argument does not fare well. I find it hard to see any situation where this is anything other than premeditated murder. I doubt the terrorism charge would work well, though to my mind it is certainly possible to see the argument. He certainly terrorized some innocent churchgoers.

    I do find it funny how conservatives, supposedly the law and order bunch, are only law and order when it's convenient. At least I am consistent, if you do the crime, you deserve the punishment.
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    He should get the death penalty......
    He's no different than any other extremist......

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    Depending on the verdict of this trail this could start a disturbing trend.
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    Hopefully murder one sticks.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now here is the part I find disturbing:



    Manslaughter? 5 years for premeditating a murder, then walking through the door and shooting someone in the head? I don't buy it. If this is how it turns out for crazy radical righties, then would crazy radical lefties be justified for only a 5 year sentence for assassinating the president because they feel he is killing "innocent" people in Afghanistan? In either case, murder is murder, under the laws of the land.

    If I had my way, this killer would be tried as a terrorist, and given the maximum sentence that is usually reserved for those who commit acts of terrorism, because this is exactly what it was - an act of terrorism.

    Article is here.
    I suspect the defense would like to have the charge available as a fall-back position should the jury not agree on first-degree murder.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Since I applaud the man for taking out a baby serial killer I hope he gets the most lenient sentence possible assuming that is why he performed a late term abortion on a late term abortion provider.
    The act of killing one person is not a act of terrorism. Heck if he went around just killing abortion doctors he still would not be a terrorist, he would be just a serial killer ironically taking out serial killers. If he blew up abortion clinics then yeah that would be a terrorist act.

    I am sure many abortionist and closet abortionist will harp on me for making my comments but **** them. If this guy killer someone they viewed to be no different than Jeffery Dhamer or Charles Manson they would not be condemning Scott Roeder. Nor would the cowards who consider themselves to be anti-abortion(not the phonies who say they think abortion is morally wrong but not morally wrong enough to want it illegal, but those are actually opposed to abortion) but are worried about the abortionist (yes the same people who have no problem with babies being killed) painting anti-abortionist as loons.
    The origin, nature, and development of life and consciousness is too mysterious for anyone to be able to justify their confidence in the humanity or non-humanity or life or non-life of fetuses. If it wasn't, abortion would be uncontroversially legal or illegal. Disagreeing with the law and wanting it to be changed is one thing, but disregarding the mysteriousness it is based on to condemn a slain late-term abortionist in such strong terms is not a justified course of action.

    Secondly, having opinions is not courageous. Voicing them can be, but not over the Internet.
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