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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I hope you realize you're generalizing here. While there are many people who applaud what the guy did (jamesrage, for example), I think that the consensus even among conservatives would be that the rule of law must be upheld, and that what this guy did was premeditated murder, which usually earns one either a life in prison or the death penalty.
    I disagree. People like him don't pop out of the blue and are isolated from any ideology. I'm sure there are many prominent 'mainstreamers' within conservatism who applaud what he did but they simply won't voice it. When you have so many people within an ideology who have the stances of being pro-gun, pro-life and pro-death penalty then one can only see this guy as a product of that.

    The right wing in this country has millions of people just like jamesrage. People who are not only xenophobic but homophobic and religious to the point where they see what this man did as a good thing. However unlike jamesrage very few are willing to voice their opinions out. I applaud jamesrage for having the consistency to say he supports what the killer did.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    terrorism definition
    ter·ror·ism (terər iz′əm)
    noun

    1. the act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate, and subjugate, esp. such use as a political weapon or policy
    2. the demoralization and intimidation produced in this way

    As defined in the dictionary, terrorism is using force or threats to intimidate. What this doctor did was to murder someone, as an act of intimidation against other abortion doctors.

    Again, you are being two faced, Jerry, applying the legal definition to the killer, and refusing to apply it to the doctor.
    At least you're using Webster now...at least that looks like Webster...but the actual legal code is still more authoritative for the technical definition than the common vernacular.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    terrorism definition
    ter·ror·ism (terər iz′əm)
    noun

    1. the act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate, and subjugate, esp. such use as a political weapon or policy
    2. the demoralization and intimidation produced in this way
    At least you're using Webster now...at least that looks like Webster...but the actual legal code is still more authoritative for the technical definition than the common vernacular.
    Then don't be such a hypocrite. According to the legal code, the man is a murderer. You CAN'T have it both ways.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, my father did, it was a hunting accident. In this case, it was not a hunting accident. In this case, is any one disputing he intentionally shot a man?
    you can intentionally shoot a man and not commit any crime.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    [quote=Jerry;1058478518]
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    terrorism definition
    ter·ror·ism (terər iz′əm)
    noun

    1. the act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate, and subjugate, esp. such use as a political weapon or policy
    2. the demoralization and intimidation produced in this way


    At least you're using Webster now...at least that looks like Webster...but the actual legal code is still more authoritative for the technical definition than the common vernacular.
    U.S. Code definition of domestic terrorism :

    http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/113B/2331

    (5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that -
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
    of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended -

    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by
    intimidation or coercion; or


    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
    destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and


    (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
    the United States.
    Yes. He is a terrorist. The intention behind his act is clear. You don't assassinate one abortion provider because you dislike him. You kill him to send a message. The message? Change policy or he'll keep going.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then don't be such a hypocrite. According to the legal code, the man is a murderer. You CAN'T have it both ways.
    The question is not rather he's a murderer, but rather he's a terrorist.

    You claimed in the OP that he is a terrorist, and that simply is not so.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    you can intentionally shoot a man and not commit any crime.
    Legally, as in you think the law will stipulate that he killed a mass murderer? Here is where I stick the final nail into your coffin in this debate. Under the law, the doctor was not a mass murderer. That makes the killer's intentional shooting of a man, who is NOT legally defined as a mass murderer, a murder, and a criminal act.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    U.S. Code definition of domestic terrorism :

    18 U.S.C. § 2331 : US Code - Section 2331: Definitions



    Yes. He is a terrorist. The intention behind his act is clear. You don't assassinate one abortion provider because you dislike him. You kill him to send a message. The message? Change policy or he'll keep going.
    He doesn't meet the criteria: "to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;"

    As I said before, he was not trying to influence policy, he was trying to stop one person from continuing a behavior. Right or wrong that doesn't make him a terrorist.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    I can see it now. Tomorrow night I will log on. This thread will be 80 pages long... mostly filled with posts of people arguing over semantics, rather than the issue.

    Just another DP thread.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    He doesn't meet the criteria: "to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;"

    As I said before, he was not trying to influence policy, he was trying to stop one person from continuing a behavior. Right or wrong that doesn't make him a terrorist.
    So he wasn't trying to intimidate a civilian population by killing a person who provides that same population with a service? You're trying too hard Jerry.
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