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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We live in a country of laws. Tiller was not convicted of a crime. Therefore he did not deserve to die. Without that conviction, he did not deserve to die, and even with that conviction, he would not have been killed. So sorry, you are wrong.
    Scott Roeder hasn't been convicted of a crime either, so by your logic he doesn't today deserve any punishment.

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    That will almost certainly change soon, and when he is convicted, as he almost certainly will be, he will serve his time as he should. He is a villain and a scoundrel and people like him deserve what they get.
    It only seems fair, as Mr. Tiller already got what he deserved.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    If Scott Roeder was a secret member of Army of God and began indiscriminately shooting people in the abortion clinic, then it would be an act of terrorism.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As it stands today, neither did Scott Roeder.
    How do you draw that conclusion.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Terrorism means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.

    Scott Roeder's act:

    • Premeditated? Yes
    • Politically motivated? No.
    • Violence? Yes.
    • Against noncombatant targets? No.
    • Was Scott Roeder a member of a subnational group? No.
    • Was Scott Roeder a clandestine agent? No.


    In order to be a terrorist act the act must meet all of the above 6 criteria.

    Scott Roeder's act only fulfills 2 of the 6 criteria, hence his act was not terrorism.

    It was some form of manslaughter yet to be determined.
    Politically motivated should be a yes, as should noncombatant target. That's 4 out of 6, using your definition.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    How do you draw that conclusion.
    In post 21 ScottD established that in order to diserve to die one must be convicted of a crime.

    To date, Scott Roeder has not been convicted of a crime, therefore Scott Roeder deserves no punishment; according to ScottD's logic.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    and i thought anti-abortionist respected life, or is it only life that suites there pupose?

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Politically motivated should be a yes
    He did not perform the act specifically so as to influence policy, he did it to stop one person from continuing a behavior, so it's a no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    as should noncombatant target.
    Mr. Tiller had more blood on his hands, so that's a no also.


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    Even if we accepted these 2 changes, that's still only 4 out of 6, which if my math serves me means the act is 2 qualifyers short of being "terrorism".

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    and i thought anti-abortionist respected life, or is it only life that suites there pupose?
    I share in your confusion because I thought pro-choice respected bodily sovereignty, or do they only respect the sovereignty of bodies which serve their purposes?

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He did not perform the act specifically so as to influence policy, he did it to stop one person from continuing a behavior, so it's a no.
    That is an assumption, and I tend to disagree.



    Mr. Tiller had more blood on his hands, so that's a no also.
    He was not a soldier. You are using the same logic that terrorists who target civilians in this country use.

    Even if we accepted these 2 changes, that's still only 4 out of 6, which if my math serves me means the act is 2 qualifyers short of being "terrorism".
    That is your definition, I don't necessarily agree with it, and 4 out of 6 qualifiers using your definition certainly makes him at least close to a terrorist.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In post 21 ScottD established that in order to diserve to die one must be convicted of a crime.

    To date, Scott Roeder has not been convicted of a crime, therefore Scott Roeder deserves no punishment; according to ScottD's logic.
    He said:

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Dr. Tiller committed no crime.
    And you said:


    As it stands today, neither did Scott Roeder.
    Commited, not convicted. He has not been convicted, but he has been charged and the question as to his innocence or guilt will be determined soon enough.

    So I could walk into any old church and shoot some guy in the head because I don't have the same moral beliefs as he does.

    As the law is written now (and I'm not saying I agree with it!) it is NOT illegal to preform abortions.

    It IS however, illegal to shoot someone in the head.

    Has he been convicted? No, and it is "innocent until proven guilty", but I'm curious how many of the church congregation will be subpoenaed since they witnessed the doctor's execution.
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