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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Massive strawman.
    So you are going to be a coward and refuse to answer the question. SO in other words you would condemn one vigilante and praise another.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I love the amount of partisan hackery that something like this can stir up.

    You have liberals screaming out "TERRORIST, TERRORIST" about this that wouldn't use the word to describe the fort hord shooting.
    You got a point but to be fair, there are some anti-abortionist cowards who are scared of what abortionist think of them using the terrorist label on Scott Roeder too, if not this thread then the last thread of where Tiller's killing first became news.

    Meanwhile you have conservatives excusing vigilantism, bucking the rule of law, and suggesting its a GOOD thing that someone broke the law to do something.
    If you are actually anti-abortion how is this in any shape or form not a good thing? Tiller being dead means that he will not be able to kill any more babies.

    Mind you, the same conservatives...one of which is one of the most outspoken people on the server about this issue...who will go on, and on, and on about how we must crack down on illegal immigration because we are a nation of LAWS and if we excuse our laws being broken or ignore our laws being broken then that weakens our nation.
    I look at illegal immigration as an act of invasion. I find the killing of innocent children and babies to be worse than an invasion any day of the week and would applaud any vigilante who took the law into their hands to remove such scum.


    The man is absolutely wrong for doing it as well. If you find what Tiller is doing is disgusting, work to try and make it illegal.
    So our founding forefathers were wrong for revolting against the British, abolitionist were wrong for freeing slaves, civil rights activist(the real ones in the 50s and 60s, not the gay marriage activist and the illegal immigration activist) were wrong for sit ins and sitting on the front of the bus and the civil war was wrong? They should have just waited until what they wanted was made legal(or illegal in the case of slavery and racial discrimination)


    KILLING him is not justified, and should not be justified.
    Any man who purposely kills children deserves something worse than death.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sure lets label everything a terrorist act.Bank robber robs a bank= terrorist act, someone killed a in drive by= terrorist act,Store clerk shot in convenient store= terrorist act. Amazing how you libs will sit there and say no that is not a terrorist act when some Muslim does some **** but someone kills a scumbag and you call him a terrorist.
    You'll have to show with proof where I have done such a thing. As usual, you can't. Sorry the facts that you support terrorism doesn't appease you.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    He's no different than any other extremist......


    the Abortionist? I agree.


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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You'll have to show with proof where I have done such a thing. As usual, you can't. Sorry the facts that you support terrorism doesn't appease you.

    Hmmm....Did James say "the Next Era"? I don't think he did....


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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So our founding forefathers were wrong for revolting against the British,
    Nope, but they were committing treason and if caught they should've suffered the full punishment for their action if I was british to keep hold the rule of law.

    And I dare say the Founders didn't feel they should do their less peaceful revolts without consequences. They knew the consequences and accepted it.

    abolitionist were wrong for freeing slaves
    Nope, but to keep the soverignty of the rule of law they needed to be held accountable to the full extent of the law if they were caught.

    Nope, but to keep the soverignty of the rule of law they needed to be held accountable to the full extent of the law if they were caught.civil rights activist(the real ones in the 50s and 60s, not the gay marriage activist and the illegal immigration activist) were wrong for sit ins and sitting on the front of the bus and the civil war was wrong?[/quote]

    "translation: The ones that I grudgingly have to agree with because its already happened, not the ones I can openly disagree with"

    Nope, but to keep the soverignty of the rule of law they needed to be held accountable to the full extent of the law if they were caught.

    [quote]They should have just waited until what they wanted was made legal(or illegal in the case of slavery and racial discrimination)

    Nope, as I said...

    They should go about every LEGAL way of fighting against the injustice.

    IF they wish to go about it illegally, so be it. They can do that. But to uphold the integrity of the rule of law in this country the consequences must be metted against them if they're found guilty of breaking the law.

    But thanks James, its good to see that if you have a dislike for those blasted old mexicans then sure, the rule of law is needed. But dislike someone doing something legal and screw it, **** the rule of law, who gives a **** about that.

    Truely principled of you.

    Jamesrage view on the law apparently. Break the law and I like why you're doing it, more power to you you should get off scott free. Break the law and I think you're scum, WE MUST PROTECT THIS COUNTRIES LAWS!


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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmm....Did James say "the Next Era"? I don't think he did....


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    Well considering he said "You libs" and I am a liberal, yes, he did include me. Reading comprehension, try it sometime, you might like it.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are going to be a coward and refuse to answer the question. SO in other words you would condemn one vigilante and praise another.
    Why should I when you answer for me? It's called a straw man. It's a form of cowardice.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why should I when you answer for me?
    I asked the question more than once and you refused. Obviously since you refused to answer then the choice you picked would contradict the whole"but what Tiller was doing is legal".



    It's called a straw man. It's a form of cowardice
    The cowardice is on your part, you only demonstrate that you lack consistency and courage by refusing to answer. Either your view would stay the same regardless of who or how old Tiller's victims are or it does matter who Tiller's victims are and therefore the legality of what Tiller was doing wouldn't play into it when someone took his life.


    "What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?"
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Nope, but they were committing treason and if caught they should've suffered the full punishment for their action if I was british to keep hold the rule of law.


    And I dare say the Founders didn't feel they should do their less peaceful revolts without consequences. They knew the consequences and accepted it.



    Nope, but to keep the soverignty of the rule of law they needed to be held accountable to the full extent of the law if they were caught.

    Nope, but to keep the soverignty of the rule of law they needed to be held accountable to the full extent of the law if they were caught.civil rights activist(the real ones in the 50s and 60s, not the gay marriage activist and the illegal immigration activist) were wrong for sit ins and sitting on the front of the bus and the civil war was wrong?
    "translation: The ones that I grudgingly have to agree with because its already happened, not the ones I can openly disagree with"

    Nope, but to keep the soverignty of the rule of law they needed to be held accountable to the full extent of the law if they were caught.

    They should have just waited until what they wanted was made legal(or illegal in the case of slavery and racial discrimination)

    Nope, as I said...

    They should go about every LEGAL way of fighting against the injustice.

    IF they wish to go about it illegally, so be it. They can do that. But to uphold the integrity of the rule of law in this country the consequences must be metted against them if they're found guilty of breaking the law.
    I didn't ask whether or not they were ready to accept the consequences of their actions.The whole founding forfathers,abolutionist other things were a response your "The man is absolutely wrong for doing it as well. If you find what Tiller is doing is disgusting, work to try and make it illegal." Obviously you think lawless is acceptable if the individuals are doing something you agree with too.


    But thanks James, its good to see that if you have a dislike for those blasted old mexicans then sure, the rule of law is needed. But dislike someone doing something legal and screw it, **** the rule of law, who gives a **** about that.

    Truely principled of you.

    I do not have a dislike of Mexicans.


    Jamesrage view on the law apparently. Break the law and I like why you're doing it, more power to you you should get off scott free. Break the law and I think you're scum, WE MUST PROTECT THIS COUNTRIES LAWS!

    Yeah our founding forefathers,civil rights activist, abolitionist all must be hypocrites.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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