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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    let's talk about the facts, not what-ifs. abortion is legal.
    Is your refusal to answer mean that you would be a hypocrite?Of course it does not surprise me.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The abortion doctor killing was nothing but an act of terrorism and those that support it are no better than Al-Qaeda.
    Sure lets label everything a terrorist act.Bank robber robs a bank= terrorist act, someone killed a in drive by= terrorist act,Store clerk shot in convenient store= terrorist act. Amazing how you libs will sit there and say no that is not a terrorist act when some Muslim does some **** but someone kills a scumbag and you call him a terrorist.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Is your refusal to answer mean that you would be a hypocrite?Of course it does not surprise me.
    why do you insist on using hypotheticals to debate an issue that really is black and white?

    tiller did not break the law, roeder did.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why do you insist on using hypotheticals to debate an issue that really is black and white?
    Because if the shoe was on the other foot you abortionist and leftist would be cheering the death of a serial killer who was getting away with killing people that you give a damn about.


    tiller did not break the law, roeder did.
    I'll ask my question again

    What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Because if the shoe was on the other foot you abortionist and leftist would be cheering the death of a serial killer who was getting away with killing people that you give a damn about.




    I'll ask my question again

    What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
    james, i hate to tell you this, but one thing that makes our country great is our freedom. if protests and homosexuality were illegal, and it was legal to kill protestors and gays, this wouldn't be america, although you might like it better.

    if you could somehow conjure a reasonable argument, i'll debate. if not,.....

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What if anti-war/anti-military protests,homosexuality and abortion were illegal and it was legal to kill people for doing those things? Would you be saying "
    what ____ did was legal". you seem to forget that." or would you be hoping that someone would take out that serial killer and applaud who ever took out that serial killer?
    But it's not any of those things. As horrible as abortion is, it doesn't excuse this sort of vigilantism. People may applaud or think that there could be justification for the crime, but he still has to go to court and face his crimes. I did kill someone in cold blood. Whether or not he thought what they were doing was a crime is inconsequential since it's not a crime. So any amount of legality that comes in has to take that into account. 1st degree murder is what the man is obviously guilty of. You can be as jubilant over the death of the doctor as you want; but nothing stops the fact that the man did commit murder and in the eyes of the law he must stand according to the laws of the land.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Blah...busy server makes me double post.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    james, i hate to tell you this, but one thing that makes our country great is our freedom. if protests and homosexuality were illegal, and it was legal to kill protestors and gays, this wouldn't be america, although you might like it better.

    if you could somehow conjure a reasonable argument, i'll debate. if not,.....
    Your refusal to answer a simple question only proves your hypocrisy. This is why I think most you abortionist nothing but hypocrites or some of the people who are anti-abortion that condemn Roeder as cowards. Had Tiller's victims been gays,anti-war/anti-military protesters and other people you leftist give a crap about you wouldn't be calling Scott Roeder a terrorist or a murderer or some nut job,most likely you would be applauding him for his deed and perhaps even calling him a hero. So please do not pretend that you are some how righteous or that you would never in a million years would be glad that someone took the law into their own hands.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sure lets label everything a terrorist act.Bank robber robs a bank= terrorist act, someone killed a in drive by= terrorist act,Store clerk shot in convenient store= terrorist act. Amazing how you libs will sit there and say no that is not a terrorist act when some Muslim does some **** but someone kills a scumbag and you call him a terrorist.
    Massive strawman.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it's not any of those things. As horrible as abortion is, it doesn't excuse this sort of vigilantism. People may applaud or think that there could be justification for the crime, but he still has to go to court and face his crimes. I did kill someone in cold blood. Whether or not he thought what they were doing was a crime is inconsequential since it's not a crime. So any amount of legality that comes in has to take that into account. 1st degree murder is what the man is obviously guilty of. You can be as jubilant over the death of the doctor as you want; but nothing stops the fact that the man did commit murder and in the eyes of the law he must stand according to the laws of the land.
    Furthermore, even if you murder someone who is committing a crime, you still committed a homicide and it will be punished. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty under our system of law and so the execution of a citizen by a citizen without due process is still a crime. It's why you can do a citizen's arrest, so that the system can engage in due process.

    But the killer in this case didn't want a citizen's arrest. He had a political agenda and a vendetta against the doctor.

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