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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do most murderers and gangbangers kill people to advance a political cause and/or intimidate their political opponents? No.

    I wasn't aware thats what Scott Roeder did.Do you have any evidence that it was politically motivate and not because he though child serial killers were despicable human beings?
    danarhea's logic was that since people were scared then that makes him a terrorist.Gangbangers would fit that description since what they do terrorizes the communities they live in.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since I applaud the man for taking out a baby serial killer I hope he gets the most lenient sentence possible assuming that is why he performed a late term abortion on a late term abortion provider.




    The act of killing one person is not a act of terrorism. Heck if he went around just killing abortion doctors he still would not be a terrorist, he would be just a serial killer ironically taking out serial killers. If he blew up abortion clinics then yeah that would be a terrorist act.

    I am sure many abortionist and closet abortionist will harp on me for making my comments but **** them. If this guy killer someone they viewed to be no different than Jeffery Dhamer or Charles Manson they would not be condemning Scott Roeder. Nor would the cowards who consider themselves to be anti-abortion(not the phonies who say they think abortion is morally wrong but not morally wrong enough to want it illegal, but those are actually opposed to abortion) but are worried about the abortionist (yes the same people who have no problem with babies being killed) painting anti-abortionist as loons.
    I wanna have your baby.

    Some fear abortion ruling could spur violence - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I wanna have your baby.
    I am not sure that is possible unless your wife has yet to have Menopause or you can find one those mad scientist that can turn one of your sperm cells into a egg and you agree to pay for a surrogate.

    So we should base court rulings on fear? I seriously doubt that he will get anything less that 1st degree murder, unless all the jury members and judge are actually(not the phony bull **** of" I'm against abortion but I think it should be the woman's choice" that phonies like to spew) anti-abortion.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post



    So we should base court rulings on fear?
    Not in my America.

    Did you read the article?

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Not in my America.

    Did you read the article?
    The article seems to be pushing the idea that somehow we should make rulings out of fear instead the facts of the case. I do think it is idiotic that they need more than 250 witnesses to convict a man who already says he killed Tiller the baby killer. I would live the idea if Scott Roeder got off due to justifiable homicide. But I know that has the same chance of Tom Tancredo or Sheriff Joe Arpaio being president of the United states or media matters blowing a liberal talk show host's words out of proportion or Scarecrow Akhbar admitting that Obama was born in the USA.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The article seems to be pushing the idea that somehow we should make rulings out of fear instead the facts of the case. I do think it is idiotic that they need more than 250 witnesses to convict a man who already says he killed Tiller the baby killer. I would live the idea if Scott Roeder got off due to justifiable homicide. But I know that has the same chance of Tom Tancredo or Sheriff Joe Arpaio being president of the United states or media matters blowing a liberal talk show host's words out of proportion.

    I didn't see it like that. I thought it pointed out several slippery slope arguments from the opposition that one could intrepret as desperate and hyper-paranoid, for sure. But I don't think it worked.

    We all know the guy's gonna fry. And, none of us here think he should walk the streets again. But I do think he should be allowed to present his defense from the aspect that, in his mind, he was merely performing a pre-emptive strike that would save countless babies from being sucked out of their mother's womb in tiny pieces.

    Then, let justice take it's course and let the cards fall where they may.

    I don't think guy should be "martyred" in societie's eye's though. As much as I love the babies, what he did ain't right either.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I didn't see it like that. I thought it pointed out several slippery slope arguments from the opposition that one could intrepret as desperate and hyper-paranoid, for sure. But I don't think it worked.
    All I saw was fear mongering by abortionist scum, But I suppose those things you mentioned do apply to the abortionist as being being hyper-paranoid and desperate.


    Some fear abortion ruling could spur violence - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
    "Will the judge's decision embolden militant anti-abortion activists and lead to open season on abortion providers? "

    snip..

    ""This judge has basically announced a death sentence for all of us who help women," he said. "That is the effect of the ruling. This is an outrage.""


    snip...

    "The damage is done: The judge has agreed to give him a platform," Hern said. "It is an act of incomprehensible stupidity on the part of the judge,


    We all know the guy's gonna fry.

    He will probably get life but not the death penalty.
    And, none of us here think he should walk the streets again.
    I think he should be freed and given a medal.

    But I do think he should be allowed to present his defense from the aspect that, in his mind, he was merely performing a pre-emotive strike that would save countless babies from being sucked out of their mother's womb in tiny pieces.

    If would be nice if it worked.

    I don't think guy should be "martyred" in societie's eye's though. As much as I love the babies, what he did ain't right either.
    I believe what he did was right.Because of Scott Roeder Tiller the baby killer baby serial killing days are over. I happen to believe that those who kill children deserve the worst kind of punishment possible.Preferably Tiller the baby serial killer should have been punished the legal route. But considering this country could care less about you if you have yet to leave the womb you sometimes you have to take what you can get.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    A possible description of terrorism:

    "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them."

    The murder of Dr. Tiller was the final of several criminal acts against him and his clinic.

    "In 1993, an abortion opponent shot Dr. Tiller in both arms. His clinic was bombed and repeatedly vandalized."

    It would be no surprise if the court found his murder was also linked to his stance on late-term abortions.

    Knowing this, his murder was obviously meant to send a political message to the pro-abortion, or at least those who support late-term abortions. This key observation is what could allow it to be called an act of terrorism.

    "Mr. Roeder has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder. But in phone calls from jail, he has told news organizations that he killed Dr. Tiller -- an act he said was justified to protect unborn children."

    The fact that the accused Scott Roeder is willing to justify the murder as an act of self-defense towards an unborn child only further concretes his alleged actions as an act of terrorism under the presented definition.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Ain't it funny how the ideology that preaches tolerance and acceptance can be so bigoted and intolerant towards those who do not agree with them?
    Ain't it funny how somebody can pull a statement out of his butt, and believe he is convincing?

    And, for your information, I am not that tolerant or accepting of anyone who wants to make it the law to teach children in science class that people used to have conversations with talking snakes, or that Jesus might have ridden a dinosaur, which is pretty much what creationism is about.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    A possible description of terrorism:

    "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them."
    There is no evidence that Tiller did this for political motivations.

    The murder of Dr. Tiller was the final of several criminal acts against him and his clinic.


    "In 1993, an abortion opponent shot Dr. Tiller in both arms. His clinic was bombed and repeatedly vandalized."
    As far as we know none of those are of Scott Roeder's doing.

    It would be no surprise if the court found his murder was also linked to his stance on late-term abortions.
    Does not prove political motivation.All it proves is that he killed Tiller the baby serial killer for being a despicable human being.



    Knowing this, his murder was obviously meant to send a political message to the pro-abortion, or at least those who support late-term abortions. This key observation is what could allow it to be called an act of terrorism.

    Is there any evidence that Scott Roeder wanted to send a political message, to cause abortionist to hide in fear or any other claim?


    "Mr. Roeder has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder. But in phone calls from jail, he has told news organizations that he killed Dr. Tiller -- an act he said was justified to protect unborn children."
    Justifiable homicide and murder are not terrorism.

    The fact that the accused Scott Roeder is willing to justify the murder as an act of self-defense towards an unborn child only further concretes his alleged actions as an act of terrorism under the presented definition.
    No it doesn't. All it proves is that he believes Tiller is a scumbag.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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