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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since I applaud the man for taking out a baby serial killer I hope he gets the most lenient sentence possible assuming that is why he performed a late term abortion on a late term abortion provider.




    The act of killing one person is not a act of terrorism. Heck if he went around just killing abortion doctors he still would not be a terrorist, he would be just a serial killer ironically taking out serial killers. If he blew up abortion clinics then yeah that would be a terrorist act.

    I am sure many abortionist and closet abortionist will harp on me for making my comments but **** them. If this guy killer someone they viewed to be no different than Jeffery Dhamer or Charles Manson they would not be condemning Scott Roeder. Nor would the cowards who consider themselves to be anti-abortion(not the phonies who say they think abortion is morally wrong but not morally wrong enough to want it illegal, but those are actually opposed to abortion) but are worried about the abortionist (yes the same people who have no problem with babies being killed) painting anti-abortionist as loons.
    Then, perhaps, you won't complain if a pro-abortion sharpshooter takes him out. After all, you found it a good thing to take out the doctor. Someone on the other side must feel the same way about taking out the killer.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Hopefully murder one sticks.
    From the very limited amount of information I have, murder one sounds like the right call unless there is some kind of evidence he didn't plan it and did it on the spur of the moment.

    Murder 2 should be thrown in but not manslaughter
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since I applaud the man for taking out a baby serial killer I hope he gets the most lenient sentence possible assuming that is why he performed a late term abortion on a late term abortion provider.
    Regardless of what YOU think about abortion, it is not illegal in the country. Why should people have to die for performing legal medical procedures? For that matter, even if it was illegal, Mr. Roeder had no right to take the law into his own hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    The act of killing one person is not a act of terrorism. Heck if he went around just killing abortion doctors he still would not be a terrorist, he would be just a serial killer ironically taking out serial killers. If he blew up abortion clinics then yeah that would be a terrorist act.
    I'm not sure I see the difference. Terrorists don't have to kill multiple people for it to be terrorism. The general goal of terrorism (I know I'm oversimplifying a bit here) is to murder civilians to advance a political agenda, which is exactly what Mr. Roeder did.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    I am sure many abortionist and closet abortionist will harp on me for making my comments but **** them. If this guy killer someone they viewed to be no different than Jeffery Dhamer or Charles Manson they would not be condemning Scott Roeder.
    If you had evidence that Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson was breaking the law, what would be the better course of action: A) Turn that evidence over to the police so that they can arrest him and try him in accordance with the law, B) Shoot him while he's sitting in church and not bothering anyone.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do find it funny how conservatives, supposedly the law and order bunch, are only law and order when it's convenient. At least I am consistent, if you do the crime, you deserve the punishment.
    I hope you realize you're generalizing here. While there are many people who applaud what the guy did (jamesrage, for example), I think that the consensus even among conservatives would be that the rule of law must be upheld, and that what this guy did was premeditated murder, which usually earns one either a life in prison or the death penalty.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I hope you realize you're generalizing here. While there are many people who applaud what the guy did (jamesrage, for example), I think that the consensus even among conservatives would be that the rule of law must be upheld, and that what this guy did was premeditated murder, which usually earns one either a life in prison or the death penalty.
    I think the point wasn't to insult conservatives so much as the shame jamesrage.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am hopeful that the argument does not fare well. I find it hard to see any situation where this is anything other than premeditated murder. I doubt the terrorism charge would work well, though to my mind it is certainly possible to see the argument. He certainly terrorized some innocent churchgoers.

    I do find it funny how conservatives, supposedly the law and order bunch, are only law and order when it's convenient. At least I am consistent, if you do the crime, you deserve the punishment.
    And once again Redress provides a vivid display of why assumption is the mother of all **** ups.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I think the point wasn't to insult conservatives so much as the shame jamesrage.
    Then use his name not conservatives in general.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now here is the part I find disturbing:



    Manslaughter? 5 years for premeditating a murder, then walking through the door and shooting someone in the head? I don't buy it. If this is how it turns out for crazy radical righties, then would crazy radical lefties be justified for only a 5 year sentence for assassinating the president because they feel he is killing "innocent" people in Afghanistan? In either case, murder is murder, under the laws of the land.

    If I had my way, this killer would be tried as a terrorist, and given the maximum sentence that is usually reserved for those who commit acts of terrorism, because this is exactly what it was - an act of terrorism.

    Article is here.
    It wasn't terrorism.

    Please keep the hysteria to a minimum

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do find it funny how conservatives, supposedly the law and order bunch, are only law and order when it's convenient. At least I am consistent, if you do the crime, you deserve the punishment.
    Dr. Tiller deserved to die, I'm glad we agree.

    Dr. Tiller should have been tried and put to the needle, instead of an assassin's bullet, I'm sure we agree there also.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    From the very limited amount of information I have, murder one sounds like the right call unless there is some kind of evidence he didn't plan it and did it on the spur of the moment.

    Murder 2 should be thrown in but not manslaughter
    The state would have to prove premeditation. It's not up to the defense to disprove it.

    Second-degree murder would be extremely hard to prove, given that he laid in wait for Tiller.

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