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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Okay. I didn't know that.
    Now you do. Our government is pretty deep insde the hands of domestic terrorists.

    Why would the Obama Justice Department worry about offending pro-lifers?
    What does it gain? Let's see, an Obama Justice Department calls this man a terrorist and then what? Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and FOX & Friends have a field day saying that he will next ban Christianity. It is not a matter of what Obama gains but what he'd lose calling this duck for what it is. The political ramifications of calling a domestic terrorist a domestic terrorist are not just positive but also negative.

    I'm not being obtuse. I'm just insisting that you make your case and establish it beyond a reasonable doubt. If that makes you upset, then perhaps we should terminate the discussion.
    It seems to me and pretty much anybody who's looked at this from an objective view can see that the intentions behind his actions are crystal clear and they fall within the definition of terrorism. The only ones who don't seem to be those who think abortion is in fact, murder.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    He committed a murder, and he will go to jail. There is no way around it. I just hope he doesn't get a manslaughter conviction because that would just be silly.

    The doctor was not a criminal. Abortion is legal. I think we've settled that bit.

    Was the gunman a terrorist? I would say yes because by killing the doctor he is sending a message to all other abortion doctors to not perform abortions lest they face violent consequences. Furthermore it sends a message of fear to women who might seek abortions to stay away from clinics because the clinics may be targeted for attacks. It tells government to change the policy or violence like it should be expected.



    US CODE 2331
    (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

    It fits the definition, even though murder charges will be sufficient.

    Jerry, you are wrong.
    But you're just assuming that was his motive. It's just as plausible that his motive was to kill someone he considered to be evil.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In other words, the doctor had not been convicted of anything, but you think it's OK to execute him for what you think might or might not be the case. Correct?
    I do not think it was acceptable to execute Dr. Tiller and I've specifically stated so already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Dr. Tiller deserved to die, I'm glad we agree.

    Dr. Tiller should have been tried and put to the needle, instead of an assassin's bullet, I'm sure we agree there also
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    I wanted to see Dr. Tiller convicted and sentenced to death.

    That doesn't mean I wanted him assassinated.

    I wanted the rule of law respected. Just because I'm glad to see Dr. Tiller leave this earth doesn't mean I advocate the way he went out; only that he did leave.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    But you're just assuming that was his motive. It's just as plausible that his motive was to kill someone he considered to be evil.
    In the open, in public, and in a church full of innocent women and children? He was making a political statement. Otherwise, he would have waylaid him in some secluded area.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Why get fancy about it?.....
    He is a cold blooded executioner....
    His penalty should be the same.......

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Whether or not that's true, it's irrelevant to the act of murder committed against him. Citizens don't carry out convictions and punishment, courts do. The doctor cannot be punished unless convicted, period.

    The fact that you are still trying to justify the murder astounds me.
    See I haven't even tried to do that, so wtf are you talking about?

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    But you're just assuming that was his motive. It's just as plausible that his motive was to kill someone he considered to be evil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    Murder of George Tiller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Tiller was shot in the head at point blank range; he was wearing body armor, as he had been since 1998, when the FBI told him he was targeted by anti-abortion extremists
    The FBI has been involved with protecting Tiller and monitoring the extremists since 1993 when his clinic was fire bombed by them. These are domestic terrorists who are organized and act in the name of political agendas.

    Of course it was his motive. He chose the most public place imaginable to carry out this act. If he wanted to kill Tiller and get away with it, there are many other ways to try and conceal his identity. He didn't want that. He wanted full public disclosure.

    He is a terrorist... legally, ideologically, and morally.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See I haven't even tried to do that, so wtf are you talking about?
    You're trying to downplay what happened by bringing up Tiller's court cases regarding partial birth abortion, as if that some how mitigates his murder. This was an act of domestic terrorist plain and simple. Tiller has been a target by these radical extremists for years and the FBI has been well involved.

    No matter what he did that you think is morally wrong, there were other ways to challenge this. Killing him was not the answer.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Now you do. Our government is pretty deep insde the hands of domestic terrorists.

    What does it gain? Let's see, an Obama Justice Department calls this man a terrorist and then what? Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and FOX & Friends have a field day saying that he will next ban Christianity. It is not a matter of what Obama gains but what he'd lose calling this duck for what it is. The political ramifications of calling a domestic terrorist a domestic terrorist are not just positive but also negative.
    Fair enough.

    It seems to me and pretty much anybody who's looked at this from an objective view can see that the intentions behind his actions are crystal clear and they fall within the definition of terrorism.
    Don't you see the problem with this statement? How can someone's intent be crystal clear?

    The only ones who don't seem to be those who think abortion is in fact, murder.
    This has nothing to do with my views on abortion. I'm just not convinced that this was a terrorist attack. It's obvious the killer was obsessed with Tiller and that he saw Tiller as an evil individual, so he murdered him. Any motivations he may have had beyond that are not readily ascertainable, which means, in a court of law, there is no justification for charging him with terrorism. That's all I'm saying.
    Last edited by Ethereal; 01-11-10 at 03:33 AM.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    I don't know, perhaps you could charge him with terrorism, but I think it would really be stretching it. Time for bed.


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