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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, then YOU show me how Dr. Tiller was a mass murderer.
    Show me Scott Roeder was a terrorist.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Show me Scott Roeder was a terrorist.
    OK - Legally he isn't. Now how about the doctor? Was he a mass murderer?
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I can see it now. Tomorrow night I will log on. This thread will be 80 pages long... mostly filled with posts of people arguing over semantics, rather than the issue.

    Just another DP thread.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Have a Mod edit your OP to remove the claim and we'll go from there. As long as the claim is in the OP, you're still making it.
    Nope. To me, it was a terroristic act, and I stand by my statement. However, I will make an admission that, legally, he isn't.

    Now how about that doctor? I know you think he is a mass murderer because you said it. Under the law, is he?
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK - Legally he isn't. Now how about the doctor? Was he a mass murderer?
    That has yet to be seen. I don't say that out of opinion or my distaste of late-term abortion, but because many of those abortions are still of questionable legality.

    Until the legality of those abortions is resolved, I can't say.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That has yet to be seen. I don't say that out of opinion or my distaste of late-term abortion, but because many of those abortions are still of questionable legality.

    Until the legality of those abortions is resolved, I can't say.
    Now you are just talking around the Q. According to the law that was in effect when the killer shot the doctor, the abortions were legal. So, under the law, did the killer commit murder? It's a simple question, actually. No need to try and tie yourself in knots attempting to avoid answering it.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm not sure what you're talking about.
    ALF, a terrorist group, is associated with PETA and PETA is one of the biggest donors to the Democratic Party. It is the reason no Democrat who wants a career in Washington would ever dream of actually going after ALF, ELF or PETA. Likewise the millions of pro-life people in this country who I'm sure applaud the work of this murderer are some of the biggest donors to the Republican Party. Do you not understand the political consequences of charging somebody who killed an abortion provider as a terrorist?

    Okay, let's expand on that. What is it about the circumstances of the murder and the man's history that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt his intent was to effectuate political and social intimidation?
    1. Affiliation with terrorism supporters(I won't say terrorist because he hasn't been found guilty with anything) like David Leach.
    2. Affiliation with terrorist groups like Army of God(through David Leach)
    3. The target.

    Seriously. You're being obtuse on purpose :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_...f_Scott_Roeder

    David Leach, publisher of Prayer & Action News, a magazine that opines that the killing of abortion providers would be justifiable homicide, told reporters that he and Roeder had met once in the late 1990s and that Roeder at that time had authored contributions to Leach's publication.[39][40][41] Leach published the Army of God manual, which advocates the killing of the providers of abortion and contains bomb-making instructions, in the January 1996 issue of his magazine.[42] A Kansas acquaintance of Roeder's, Regina Dinwiddie, told a reporter after Tiller's murder (speaking of Roeder), "I know that he believed in justifiable homicide." Dinwiddie, an anti-abortion militant featured in the 2000 HBO documentary Soldiers in the Army of God, added that she had observed Roeder in 1996 enter Kansas City Planned Parenthood's abortion clinic and ask to talk to the physician there; after staring at him for nearly a minute, Roeder said, "I’ve seen you now," before turning and walking away.[43]

    Roeder's former roommate of two years, Eddie Ebecher, who had met Roeder through the Freemen movement in the 1990s, told a reporter after Tiller's murder that he and Roeder had considered themselves members of the Army of God. Ebecher said Roeder was obsessed with Tiller and discussed killing him, but that Ebecher warned him not to do so. Ebecher, who went by the nom de guerre "Wolfgang Anacon," added that he believed Roeder held "high moral convictions in order to carry out this act. I feel that Scott had a burden for all the children being murdered."[44]

    In 2007, someone who identified himself as Scott Roeder posted on the website of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue that, "Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation." This was reported by the ADL's Center on Extremism, noting that Roeder called for "the closing of his death camp."[34] [35] After Tiller's murder, officials from Operation Rescue, which had long opposed Tiller's abortion practices but denounced his shooting, said Roeder was not a contributor or member of the group.[24] The phone number for Operation Rescue's senior policy advisor, Cheryl Sullenger, was found on the dashboard of Scott Roeder's car[45]. At first, Operation Rescue's senior policy advisor Cheryl Sullenger denied any contact with Roeder, saying that her phone number is freely available online. Then, she revised her statements, indicating that Roeder’s interest was in court hearings involving Tiller.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now you are just talking around the Q. According to the law that was in effect when the killer shot the doctor, the abortions were legal. So, under the law, did the killer commit murder? It's a simple question, actually. No need to try and tie yourself in knots attempting to avoid answering it.
    We can not establish that for all of the abortions.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He doesn't meet the definition the US Government uses.
    Nowhere have I claimed otherwise. I am still justified in calling him a terrorist however, I just cannot use it in a legal sense, and if you will note post 5 in this thread, I said basically that.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We can not establish that for all of the abortions.
    Do you have evidence that a crime was committed by the doctor?
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