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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It might not be a terrorist act if the killer had done in the doctor in some dark alley. But he walked into a church full of men, women, and children, and carried out the act there, thus terrorizing ALL of them. What does that make him? A terrorist.
    Anyone who is proximate to a heinous crime will be terrorized. That doesn't mean the perpetrator of the crime is a terrorist. There has to be a clear-cut political and social motive in order for it to qualify as terrorism.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Depends on how you define terrorist. He is not being charged with terrorism, but he does meet the definition of terrorist I use.
    He doesn't meet the definition the US Government uses.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Anyone who is proximate to a heinous crime will be terrorized. That doesn't mean the perpetrator of the crime is a terrorist. There has to be a clear-cut political and social motive in order for it to qualify as terrorism.
    OK, let's go with that. Was the doctor a mass murderer? If you maintain he was, then show me with facts. Not the Bible, or what one group of people believe over another group of people. Show me the legal facts.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, let's go with that. Was the doctor a mass murderer? If you maintain he was, then show me with facts. Not the Bible, or what one group of people believe over another group of people. Show me the legal facts.
    Ethereal was not discussing Dr. Tiller in that post.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If it's so obvious that he's a domestic terrorist then why hasn't the Federal government brought charges against him?
    For the same reason it won't file charges against just anybody who associates with ALF. Too inconsistent and indebted to the people who support these acts.

    Why do you presume to know his intent? Can you read minds?
    Considering the circumstances of the murder and the man's history, this is nothing less than a terrorist attack.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ethereal was not discussing Dr. Tiller in that post.
    OK, then YOU show me how Dr. Tiller was a mass murderer.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, let's go with that. Was the doctor a mass murderer? If you maintain he was, then show me with facts. Not the Bible, or what one group of people believe over another group of people. Show me the legal facts.
    I never implied that he was. Whatever argument you're having with Jerry doesn't concern me. I'm just saying this does not qualify as a terrorist act.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Some of you STILL aren't using the difference between MORALS and LAWS. Let me repost this... though I'm still expecting more links to Webster as this thread progresses:

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    There are two issues here. The first is a legal one. Was what Dr. Tiller doing illegal? Absolutely not. Was what Scott Roeder did illegal? Absolutely. These are legal facts and are not disputable.

    The second issue is a moral one. Was what Dr. Tiller doing immoral? Was what Scott Roeder did immoral? That is for each of us to decide, and IS disputable.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I never implied that he was. Whatever argument you're having with Jerry doesn't concern me. I'm just saying this does not qualify as a terrorist act.
    OK. LOL. I understand. I maintain that many people will see this as a terrorist act, and many won't. Legally, it probably isn't. Jerry cites US code to show that it isn't. OK, I can accept that. On the other hand, Jerry calls Dr. Tiller a mass murderer, when the clear definition, under the law, is that he wasn't. That is why I maintain that Jerry is being dishonest, in citing the law in one case and not the other. He is citing the law only when it suits his purpose. That IS dishonest.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    For the same reason it won't file charges against just anybody who associates with ALF. Too inconsistent and indebted to the people who support these acts.
    I'm not sure what you're talking about.

    Considering the circumstances of the murder and the man's history, this is nothing less than a terrorist attack.

    Okay, let's expand on that. What is it about the circumstances of the murder and the man's history that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt his intent was to effectuate political and social intimidation?

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