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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If we go by the legal definition, then Jerry must maintain that the doctor was innocent, and was murdered in cold blood. He can't have it both ways.
    I would agree that this is a clear-cut case of murder, which is why I keep insisting that it is not a terrorist act.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Depends on how you define terrorist. He is not being charged with terrorism, but he does meet the definition of terrorist I use.
    How does he meet the definition of a terrorist?

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    And the US justice system.
    Correction. The Kansas Justice System. I'm surprised this guy hasn't been given community service already. You are being intentionally obtuse Ethereal.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I would agree that this is a clear-cut case of murder, which is why I keep insisting that it is not a terrorist act.
    It might not be a terrorist act if the killer had done in the doctor in some dark alley. But he walked into a church full of men, women, and children, and carried out the act there, thus terrorizing ALL of them. What does that make him? A terrorist.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How does he meet the definition of a terrorist?
    He used violence to promote a political agenda and create terror is my belief. It makes an assumption on motive, but motive without confession is always assumption.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Correction. The Kansas Justice System. I'm surprised this guy hasn't been given community service already. You are being intentionally obtuse Ethereal.
    If it's so obvious that he's a domestic terrorist then why hasn't the Federal government brought charges against him?

    Why do you presume to know his intent? Can you read minds?
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) A shooting, for the purpose of intimidation, to change policy, IS terrorism. It's the dictionary definition.
    Scott Roeder did not shoot Dr. Tiller for the purpose of intimidation or to influence policy. Scott Roeder shot Dr. Tiller to stop Dr. Tiller from performing late-term abortions.

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    2) You use the legal definition to define him as NOT a terrorist.
    Scott Roeder does not fit the definition. This not my opinion but an objective fact anyone can measure and observe for themselves. Meeting a few criteria is not sufficient, Scott Roeder must meet them all, which he does not.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    3) But the law says the doctor committed no crime.
    That means while Scott Roeder is not a terrorist, he might still be some other kind of criminal.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    4) However, you do not apply the law there, as you did in saying that the killer is not a terrorist. You call the doctor a mass murderer, even though the law says he is not.
    Please note the words highlighted in red. The fact that they are spelled differently is a key indicator that they mean different things.

    My personal opinion aside, Scott Roeder may be a murderer, but he's not a terrorist.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He used violence to promote a political agenda and create terror is my belief. It makes an assumption on motive, but motive without confession is always assumption.
    And what evidence do you have that this was his motive?

    Of course, you're correct that a motive cannot be conclusively established without a confession, but that doesn't mean you can assign someone a motive absent any evidence.

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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If it's so obvious that he's a domestic terrorist then why hasn't the Federal government brought charges against him?

    Why do presume to know his intent? Can you read minds?
    Because we are going by a legal definition here, and not the definition that we find in the dictionary. Hence my contention that Jerry is dishonest. If we go by the legal definition, then, perhaps, the man is not a terrorist. If that is the case, then Jerry cannot call the doctor a mass murderer without exposing himself as dishonest, because, under the law, the doctor committed no crime.
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    Re: Trial to Begin in Abortion-Doctor Killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. I know, it's fun to play stupid games, but in this case, he intentionally shot an innocent(in the eyes of the law) man. No one is arguing this to my knowledge. If this is the case, he is, and most likely will be found to be, guilty of a crime. Little retard semantic games won't change this.
    Sure, guilty of a crime on the level of a parking violation. That's all Dr. Tiller was worth.

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