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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    You're generally an intelligent guy. Why do you play stupid on this?
    Actually, I'm an idiot who generally hides it well.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    A racial slur is a racial slur, regardless of the race at which it is directed. Why should one be any worse than another? They are ALL obsolete, discredited, passť and unacceptable in a modern society.
    Imagine three politicians telling a story about someone trying to screw them at the grocery store.

    The first one says "the guy gypped me."
    The second one says "the guy jewed me."
    The third one says "the guy niggered me."

    Do you think the public reaction would be equal to all three? Do you think it should?

    It would seem that certain racial slurs are acceptable to you. I think that's very sad.
    If only I could be as enlightened as you.

    And while each of these idiots was attempting to say something positive by using grossly outdated and demeaning terms (which highlights their stupidity even more), the fact remains that the use of such derogatory phrases indicates a mind that evidently keeps them handy, and uses them without the slightest thought or hesitation.
    And your response indicates a mind that is incapable of recognizing important distinctions between the terms.

    Do you use words/phrases like these in everyday conversation? If so, you're guilty of the same mindless continuation of demeaning racial slurs that Reid and Steele are.
    No, I don't. But if I said "honest injun" at work, I doubt I'd even get a sideways glance. If I made a comment about light-skinned blacks and negro dialects, I'd be looking for new employment.

    Phrases like these don't even exist my brain, let alone fall out of my mouth thoughtlessly. On the very rare occasion that I do choose to use such outdated and discredited terms, it's for the sole purpose of pointing out racism or hypocrisy, and educating the ignorant. I have to think HARD about using a racial slur...
    We get it, you're enlightened.

    The fact that so many here choose to partisanize their condemnation of the use of any racial slur is just completely messed up.

    The fact that you keep pretending not to see the difference because it suits your political position is equally depressing.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

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    As long as there is a two-party system, quality people won't ever have the drive for national public office.




    See, I think it's all a product of the system that causes scumbags and idiots to attain higher office. In order to even reach that level, a person must be willing to forgo their ideals and acquiesce to the party dogma.

    Essentially, the system is set up so that all we ever get to choose from are charismatic idiots and megalomaniacs.
    Now I don't buy into this. I think quality people can and do get into politics, despite the two party system. I have dealt with Carl Levin a couple times in my life, and while I don't agree with him on everything, he strikes me as very principled, and at time willing to buck the party(sometimes wrongly, see the 2008 democratic primary).

    However, I think the reason why there is such a high number of scumbags in politics and other nationally exposed jobs(pro sports athletes, movie stars) is because to be willing to do what they do requires a very pointed drive which does not allow a lot of room for other things.

    I remember an awesome interview with Barbara Bush shortly after her son took office, and the topic got around to the Clinton's, and she was asked to say something nice about them. Without hesitation she said(paraphrase, my memory not that good): "I could say lots good about them, but the thing that stands out in my mind is how they insulated Chelsea from the press, and did all in their power to give her as normal a life as possible. That is so hard to do when you are in Washington." The thing that stands out was the "as normal as possible". if you have kids, to be in Washington means your kids won't have a normal life, and you have to be willing to sacrifice that. I don't think most good people will do that.

    As an aside, if you can, read The Final Days by Woodward and Bernstien. Nixon's daughters and their husbands are discussed in some measure in that, and I felt strongly for them and what they went through the last year of Nixon's presidency.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The first one says "the guy gypped me."
    The second one says "the guy jewed me."
    The third one says "the guy niggered me."
    I don't think most people know the origin of the word "gypped". I know I did not until I saw it in this context just now. That does make a real difference.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Imagine three politicians telling a story about someone trying to screw them at the grocery store.

    The first one says "the guy gypped me."
    The second one says "the guy jewed me."
    The third one says "the guy niggered me."

    Do you think the public reaction would be equal to all three?
    We know in your case it is not.

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    Do you think it should?
    Yes. A racial slur is a racial slur regardless of the minority/race being demeaned. Racial slurs are all equally outdated, derogatory, offensive and unacceptable.

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    If only I could be as enlightened as you.
    What do you think I'm trying to do here?

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    And your response indicates a mind that is incapable of recognizing important distinctions between the terms.
    Once again, there is no distinction between this racial slur or that racial slur. They're all derogatory and unacceptable.

    Why don't you give us your explanation of these supposed "important distinctions?"

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The fact that you keep pretending not to see the difference because it suits your political position is equally depressing.
    The fact that you pretend that there is a distinction between this racial slur or that racial slur because it suits your political position merely highlights your utter ignorance and extreme intransigence.

    I have no political position on racism. It's wrong no matter who does it. Did you notice that I have condemned both Steele AND Reid?
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Now I don't buy into this. I think quality people can and do get into politics, despite the two party system. I have dealt with Carl Levin a couple times in my life, and while I don't agree with him on everything, he strikes me as very principled, and at time willing to buck the party(sometimes wrongly, see the 2008 democratic primary).

    However, I think the reason why there is such a high number of scumbags in politics and other nationally exposed jobs(pro sports athletes, movie stars) is because to be willing to do what they do requires a very pointed drive which does not allow a lot of room for other things.

    I remember an awesome interview with Barbara Bush shortly after her son took office, and the topic got around to the Clinton's, and she was asked to say something nice about them. Without hesitation she said(paraphrase, my memory not that good): "I could say lots good about them, but the thing that stands out in my mind is how they insulated Chelsea from the press, and did all in their power to give her as normal a life as possible. That is so hard to do when you are in Washington." The thing that stands out was the "as normal as possible". if you have kids, to be in Washington means your kids won't have a normal life, and you have to be willing to sacrifice that. I don't think most good people will do that.

    As an aside, if you can, read The Final Days by Woodward and Bernstien. Nixon's daughters and their husbands are discussed in some measure in that, and I felt strongly for them and what they went through the last year of Nixon's presidency.
    What can I say, I'm extremely cynical. I think there must be a drive to power in order to even think about choosing that role in life.

    And votes are won by fooling people. No politician is genuine. None.

    They couldn't get elected if they were genuine because people are so pulled in by the psuedo-issue bull**** that the two-party system propagates.

    I don't buy that any of them are anything more than facades.

    I'd be unelectable for exactly the same traits that I feel would make me a good public servant: Brutal honesty. I wouldn't truck with the bull****, and in today's society the vast majority of the public would prefer to be lied to by their politicians.

    The political divide is merely a product of what lies that portion of the public wants to hear.

    But, like I said, I'm extremely cynical. Maybe that clouds my view of politics. I gotta say, though, I have not seen all that much in teh way of disconfirming evidence for my theories.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What can I say, I'm extremely cynical. I think there must be a drive to power in order to even think about choosing that role in life.

    And votes are won by fooling people. No politician is genuine. None.

    They couldn't get elected if they were genuine because people are so pulled in by the psuedo-issue bull**** that the two-party system propagates.

    I don't buy that any of them are anything more than facades.

    I'd be unelectable for exactly the same traits that I feel would make me a good public servant: Brutal honesty. I wouldn't truck with the bull****, and in today's society the vast majority of the public would prefer to be lied to by their politicians.

    The political divide is merely a product of what lies that portion of the public wants to hear.

    But, like I said, I'm extremely cynical. Maybe that clouds my view of politics. I gotta say, though, I have not seen all that much in teh way of disconfirming evidence for my theories.
    There has to be a drive for power, yes. But there is only so much drive in people, and I think when you limit the normality that people can have, the drive for power itself has to be so strong that other drives don't have a chance.

    In response for your cynicism, I point again to senator Levin. A good example from him is that even when the war in Iraq was popular(mostly before the actual invasion), he was still against it, even though it would potentially hurt him politically. For him it was a principle, and that was the important thing to him(supposition of course, since we never really know people's motivations).

    I think cynicism leads us wrong just as often as idealism, probably moreso.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There has to be a drive for power, yes. But there is only so much drive in people, and I think when you limit the normality that people can have, the drive for power itself has to be so strong that other drives don't have a chance.

    In response for your cynicism, I point again to senator Levin. A good example from him is that even when the war in Iraq was popular(mostly before the actual invasion), he was still against it, even though it would potentially hurt him politically. For him it was a principle, and that was the important thing to him(supposition of course, since we never really know people's motivations).

    I think cynicism leads us wrong just as often as idealism, probably moreso.
    As I write this I'm listening to a douchebag running for congress on my answering machine telling me, in a recording, that he's sorry he "missed me" and couldn't speak to me personally.

    Cynicism is just the natural conclusion of idealism.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh come on.

    He was talking to REPORTERS.
    He was talking within the privacy of his own reporters.
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    Re: Reid apologizes for 'no Negro dialect' comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    We know in your case it is not.
    And I wager that the vast majority of people would agree with me.

    Yes. A racial slur is a racial slur regardless of the minority/race being demeaned. Racial slurs are all equally outdated, derogatory, offensive and unacceptable.
    And I don't think that everything that could conceivably be viewed as racially derogatory is equally bad.

    What do you think I'm trying to do here?
    Brag about how enlightened and progressive you are? Cover for Harry Reid by shifting the focus to entirely unrelated comments made by Republicans? Am I getting warmer?

    Once again, there is no distinction between this racial slur or that racial slur. They're all derogatory and unacceptable.
    According to wiki, all of the following are ethnic slurs:

    Guido
    Gringo
    Cracker
    Albino
    Eskimo
    Ginger
    Hun
    Limey
    Paddy
    Redneck
    Wigger

    You're arguing that they're all equivalent to dropping the n-bomb. I think that's plainly ridiculous.

    Do you show equivalent outrage when people refer to police trucks as paddywagons or someone dumb acting like a redneck? If you don't, you're a hypocrite. If you do, I can't imagine how much time you must spend being offended.
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