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    New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey's state Senate has defeated a bill to legalize gay marriage, the latest in a string of setbacks for advocates.

    The defeat, by a vote of 20-14, likely ends any chance that the state Legislature approves gay marriage soon. Five senators did not vote; there is one Senate vacancy.

    Gay rights advocates had been pushing hard for the bill because on Jan. 19, new Republican Gov. Chris Christie takes office and he has vowed to veto a gay marriage bill. Outgoing Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine had promised to sign it into law.

    It was a major effort to get the bill to a full Senate. A vote was canceled last month when it appeared the measure would be defeated there. It wasn't until Tuesday that Senate leaders decided to allow the vote.

    New Jersey offers civil unions that grant the legal rights of marriage to gay couples.
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    Civil Unions Yes, changing "marriage" no. Makes sense to me.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Totally agree. Thanks for the post.


    This is great news.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Anyone else notice the tone of inevitability in the reporting?
    New Jersey's state Senate has defeated a bill to legalize gay marriage, the latest in a string of setbacks for advocates.

    The defeat, by a vote of 20-14, likely ends any chance that the state Legislature approves gay marriage soon.
    1) This is not a string of losses (or victories for proponents of traditional marriage), but "setbacks."
    2) Let's not emphasize that the Legislature disapproved of gay marriage, instead let's say there little chance they will do so soon (implying they will later).

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Anyone else notice the tone of inevitability in the reporting?

    1) This is not a string of losses (or victories for proponents of traditional marriage), but "setbacks."
    2) Let's not emphasize that the Legislature disapproved of gay marriage, instead let's say there little chance they will do so soon (implying they will later).
    Well of course. Its never a defeat for the faithful. This religion has no church but its members are dedicated.
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    Truthfully, to me this is irrelevant. NJ already has civil unions which affords gay couples rights for adoptions, benefits, and other things that married couples have. Though my overall position is that the term "marriage" should be used only for religious purposes and all governmental unions should be "civil unions"... gay or straight, the way that NJ handles it currently, is fine by me. I'm not sure why this is a big deal.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    I think the big deal is that NJ authorizes both marriages and civil unions.

    If NJ stuck to authorizing civil unions as you suggested they should, there wouldn't be an issue.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think the big deal is that NJ authorizes both marriages and civil unions.

    If NJ stuck to authorizing civil unions as you suggested they should, there wouldn't be an issue.
    I guess I don't see it that way. I can understand the frustration of not being able to use the word "marriage", but since, as far as I know, all of the benefits of being "married" are afforded those who have civil unions, I don't see this as a defeat or setback. Just how I see it though.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    I think what it comes down to is a victory of principle. They want their union to be called by the same name as that of a heterosexual couple.

    Personally, I'm a lot more interested in marital arrangements for the polyamorous, so...
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not sure why this is a big deal.
    Because it's a legislative initiative that's defining this issue, a voice from the We the People rather than a tiny court ruled over by activist judges or some city steps circus like the San Francisco Mayor pulled in SF.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Because it's a legislative initiative that's defining this issue, a voice from the We the People rather than a tiny court ruled over by activist judges or some city steps circus like the San Francisco Mayor pulled in SF.
    I've generally found that they're only "activist" judges when they disagree with your view.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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