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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

disneydude said:
Riiiiiiight!.... Now THAT is funny. I'm calling you out on this one. There is no way in Hell that you are going to convince anyone other than yourself that you were "liberal as hell".......:doh
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Believe it or not DD it is the truth......When I was young I was brainwashed by a lot of Liberals like you, and believed in free love, not trusting anyone over 30, but that is not reality........I don't know old you are but I am sure over 30 and you still live in a fantasy world that defys reality and just does not exist.............

There are no free rides my left wing friend...........
 
disneydude said:
Riiiiiiight!.... Now THAT is funny. I'm calling you out on this one. There is no way in Hell that you are going to convince anyone other than yourself that you were "liberal as hell".......:doh
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I was a liberal Democrat back before Regan. I actually voted for Jimmy Charter, in the first run against Ford.

Under Regan, I became a member of the Republican party. After the disaster that was Bush (whom I voted for) I joined the Constitution party. I supported Ron Paul in the last election because I have given up on our 2 party never meant to exist system.

I went from liberal to conservative.

Yes people can and do change.
 
Redress said:
The older people most opposed are going to be out of the picture soon, while those who support are growing. I think it is an inevitability, the only question being how long it will take.
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Maybe Obama should set up death panels for this group ;)
 
Navy Pride said:
Believe it or not DD it is the truth......When I was young I was brainwashed by a lot of Liberals like you, and believed in free love, not trusting anyone over 30, but that is not reality........I don't know old you are but I am sure over 30 and you still live in a fantasy world that defys reality and just does not exist.............

There are no free rides my left wing friend...........
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Still not buying it. You've written too much on this board for me to ever believe that. A Leopard doesn't change its spots THAT much.

As far as free ride...nobody's talking about a "free ride" here. We are talking about whether the Government should be able to step in and decide who and who you aren't allowed to marry.

You and your ilk want big Government in control of those decisions.
Others of us believe that Government should not be in charge of personal decisions that we make in our lives.
 
Blackdog said:
I was a liberal Democrat back before Regan. I actually voted for Jimmy Charter, in the first run against Ford.

Under Regan, I became a member of the Republican party. After the disaster that was Bush (whom I voted for) I joined the Constitution party. I supported Ron Paul in the last election because I have given up on our 2 party never meant to exist system.

I went from liberal to conservative.

Yes people can and do change.
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I don't doubt that. I'm ashamed to admit that I voted for Reagan as well.

However, for NP to say that he was as "liberal as hell" is just not believeable based on so much of what he has written about his life over the years here.
 
disneydude said:
Still not buying it. You've written too much on this board for me to ever believe that. A Leopard doesn't change its spots THAT much.
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Yes they can. I am a good example.

disneydude said:
As far as free ride...nobody's talking about a "free ride" here. We are talking about whether the Government should be able to step in and decide who and who you aren't allowed to marry.
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They already have all the benefits of civil unions. Nothing is being denied gay couples.

disneydude said:
You and your ilk want big Government in control of those decisions.
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No, we want the people in control. With checks and balances so the tyranny of the majority does not become a reality.

disneydude said:
Others of us believe that Government should not be in charge of personal decisions that we make in our lives.
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Then tell the government to get the hell out of marraige all together.
 
disneydude said:
I don't doubt that. I'm ashamed to admit that I voted for Reagan as well.

However, for NP to say that he was as "liberal as hell" is just not believeable based on so much of what he has written about his life over the years here.
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I was a liberal Democrat to. I grew up in a Democrat household. As I got older I formed my own views on the world.

It is silly for you to claim you know his life better than him.

PS Ronald Regan was one of the best presidents this nation has ever had, that I lived under.
 
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disneydude said:
I don't doubt that. I'm ashamed to admit that I voted for Reagan as well.
However, for NP to say that he was as "liberal as hell" is just not believeable based on so much of what he has written about his life over the years here.
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Yeah, you voted for a man whom you disagree with on every possible issue angainst Carter who could be your brother on political issues........:rofl
 
Blackdog said:
Then tell the government to get the hell out of marraige all together.
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I would agree with you there. But as long as Government is in the marriage business, the Constitution requires that if they are going to discriminate in its application, that they government have an important governmental purpose to over-ride that discrimination. THAT purpose is what no one on the side of the Government ever can define in this debate.
 
Blackdog said:
I was a liberal Democrat to. I grew up in a Democrat household. As I got older I formed my own views on the world.

It is silly for you to claim you know his life better than him.
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Thank you...........:shock:
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah, you voted for a man whom you disagree with on every possible issue angainst Carter who could be your brother on political issues........:rofl
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No. I was too young to vote in 80. I voted for Reagan (I'm sorry) in 1984 against Mondale.
Granted...Mondale was no great catch either, but if I had that vote to take back....
 
Blackdog said:
I was a liberal Democrat to. I grew up in a Democrat household. As I got older I formed my own views on the world.

It is silly for you to claim you know his life better than him.

PS Ronald Regan was one of the best presidents this nation has ever had, that I lived under.
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I'm not claiming that I know his life better than him....I'm just calling him out when its clear that he is being less than honest.
Navy has written a lot of this site over the last 5 years. "Being liberal as hell" has never been one of them. Its rather convenient for him to start discussing this now.
 
disneydude said:
No. I was too young to vote in 80. I voted for Reagan (I'm sorry) in 1984 against Mondale.
Granted...Mondale was no great catch either, but if I had that vote to take back....
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Well you agree with Carter on every issue.........In fact you could be his clone.........I guess Black Dog straightened you out on the young thing though......:rofl

You better go DD while your only losing by a little bit............:lol:
 
disneydude said:
I would agree with you there. But as long as Government is in the marriage business, the Constitution requires that if they are going to discriminate in its application, that they government have an important governmental purpose to over-ride that discrimination. THAT purpose is what no one on the side of the Government ever can define in this debate.
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"They already have all the benefits of civil unions. Nothing is being denied gay couples." - Blackdog

So what is being denied gay people?

I do not consider 2 men or women a marraige based on my religion. They have civil unions, which gives them all the benefits and rights a heterosexual couple get.

So what is it you really want if they already get everything?
 
Blackdog said:
"They already have all the benefits of civil unions. Nothing is being denied gay couples." - Blackdog

So what is being denied gay people?

I do not consider 2 men or women a marraige based on my religion. They have civil unions, which gives them all the benefits and rights a heterosexual couple get.

So what is it you really want if they already get everything?
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Seperate but equal is still wrong and unconstitutional. Civil Unions still portray gays as second class citizens.
 
disneydude said:
I'm not claiming that I know his life better than him....I'm just calling him out when its clear that he is being less than honest.
Navy has written a lot of this site over the last 5 years. "Being liberal as hell" has never been one of them. Its rather convenient for him to start discussing this now.
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There are millions of us like that DD....We grow older and grow wiser.......surely you know more now then when you were 18.......Ahhh maybe not......you may be the exception..........:rofl
 
disneydude said:
I'm not claiming that I know his life better than him....I'm just calling him out when its clear that he is being less than honest.
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Unless you have the ability to see into his past, this is just an assumption on your part.

I think he knows better what he was doing in his past then you.

disneydude said:
Navy has written a lot of this site over the last 5 years. "Being liberal as hell" has never been one of them. Its rather convenient for him to start discussing this now.
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66 to 72 years of age at this site, and you are arrogant enough to think you know him or his past? :shock:
 
Blackdog said:
"They already have all the benefits of civil unions. Nothing is being denied gay couples." - Blackdog

So what is being denied gay people?

I do not consider 2 men or women a marraige based on my religion. They have civil unions, which gives them all the benefits and rights a heterosexual couple get.

So what is it you really want if they already get everything?
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Some states ban gays from adopting and fostering. Hey, that's one and I did not even have to think about it.
 
Navy Pride said:
Well you agree with Carter on every issue.........In fact you could be his clone.........I guess Black Dog straightened you out on the young thing though......:rofl

You better go DD while your only losing by a little bit............:lol:
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I don't even know what Carter's stance IS on most issues. I haven't really seen him taking a position on much.

I'll tell you one thing though. If the election were today, I would absolutely vote for Carter over Reagan. Neither was a great President, but I think Reagan left more lasting damage. Carter was just damaging when he was in office. The damaging effect went away pretty rapidly.
 
disneydude said:
Seperate but equal is still wrong and unconstitutional. Civil Unions still portray gays as second class citizens.
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It is not a marriage, and should not be recognized as such. It is a life style and nothing more. They are not separate, it's not like they have to use the Negro rest room or anything.

Sorry, that is a lame excuse.
 
Blackdog said:
Unless you have the ability to see into his past, this is just an assumption on your part.

I think he knows better what he was doing in his past then you.



66 to 72 years of age at this site, and you are arrogant enough to think you know him or his past? :shock:
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Navy has listed every President he voted for here. He has always voted for the Republican....so if he was a "liberal as hell" at a period of time in his life, I have no idea when that would have been.
 
Redress said:
Some states ban gays from adopting and fostering. Hey, that's one and I did not even have to think about it.
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This is true, and that should be changed.

This has nothing to really do with my point though.
 
disneydude said:
Navy has listed every President he voted for here. He has always voted for the Republican....so if he was a "liberal as hell" at a period of time in his life, I have no idea when that would have been.
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I have no idea who he voted for. I will still say he knows his past better than you, period.
 
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