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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Navy Pride said:
The problem is DD you are winning neither and sprnding to much time at Disney Land....Don't you know that place is not real......:rofl
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Keep telling yourself that Navy....you won't even see it coming.

You'll be sitting in your rocker dreaming about the "good ole Bush days" when our country was run by a "great and inspired world leader" :doh
 
disneydude said:
Keep telling yourself that Navy....you won't even see it coming.

You'll be sitting in your rocker dreaming about the "good ole Bush days" when our country was run by a "great and inspired world leader" :doh
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You live in a dream world...........1 trillion dollars deficit........I notice you never address that.........
 
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Harshaw said:
Didn't claim it isn't.



The map says otherwise.

Oh, wait -- you're also talking about "basic human rights" like the right to have the taxpayers foot the bill for you. Different issue, of course.
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What are you talking about. Nobody is talking about "taxpayers footing the bill" for anything.

We are talking about the right to marry the person that you love without the government stepping in and saying who you can and cannot marry.

And if you check your map...more and more countries every day are catching on. Sadly the US trails the world once again when it comes to human rights.
But the US will get there as well.....just more slowly.
 
Navy Pride said:
You should because you kids will be paying off the trillion dollar deficit Obama made................
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We will probably spend much more time paying off the debt Reagan and Bush (41 and 43) put us in.
 
disneydude said:
What are you talking about. Nobody is talking about "taxpayers footing the bill" for anything.

We are talking about the right to marry the person that you love without the government stepping in and saying who you can and cannot marry.

And if you check your map...more and more countries every day are catching on. Sadly the US trails the world once again when it comes to human rights.
But the US will get there as well.....just more slowly.
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In this country we talk about states and don't bow to the whims of the countries in Europe............
 
ScottD said:
We will probably spend much more time paying off the debt Reagan and Bush (41 and 43) put us in.
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It was nothing compared to the Trillion dollars that Obama has spent my left wing friend......

You lefties can run and cry all day but you can't hide from this reality........
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah, I think you're overstating this juuuuuuuuuust a little bit.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg
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I posted the numbers earlier in this thread(I think, there have been a few threads on this topic lately), but the number of people who find homosexuality immoral is steadily declining, while those who view it as moral is steadily rising. Given even 10 years at this pace, and the numbers will be overwhelmingly towards those who view homosexuality as moral.

Another indicator:

But among those 18 to 34 years old, 58 percent said same-sex marriages should be legal. That number drops to 42 percent among respondents aged 35 to 49, and to 41 percent for those aged 50 to 64. Only 24 percent of Americans 65 and older support recognizing same-sex marriages, according to the poll.
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Source: CNN poll: Generations disagree on same-sex marriage - CNN.com

Younger people are in favor of gay marriage. The older people most opposed are going to be out of the picture soon, while those who support are growing. I think it is an inevitability, the only question being how long it will take. The attitudes in this country towards gays has changed so dramatically just during my lifetime.
 
Navy Pride said:
Oh for the good old Bush days when we did not have the biggest deficit in the history of the world and growing every day........
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Relevance?
 
Navy Pride said:
In this country we talk about states and don't bow to the whims of the countries in Europe............
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No one is saying that we do. The fact is....attitudes in America have changed exponentially in the last decade (You do know what exponential is right?).

What once looked like a possibility in the United States sometime in my lifetime, is now pretty much a guarantee well within this decade.

America will do the right thing, because it is the right thing to do. We as a country usually come to embrace that which is right and oppose discrimination. The same will be true on this issue as well.
 
Redress said:
I posted the numbers earlier in this thread(I think, there have been a few threads on this topic lately), but the number of people who find homosexuality immoral is steadily declining, while those who view it as moral is steadily rising. Given even 10 years at this pace, and the numbers will be overwhelmingly towards those who view homosexuality as moral.

Another indicator:



Source: CNN poll: Generations disagree on same-sex marriage - CNN.com

Younger people are in favor of gay marriage. The older people most opposed are going to be out of the picture soon, while those who support are growing. I think it is an inevitability, the only question being how long it will take. The attitudes in this country towards gays has changed so dramatically just during my lifetime.
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Then they grow older and wiser and realize how wrong they were...........
 
Navy Pride said:
It was nothing compared to the Trillion dollars that Obama has spent my left wing friend......

You lefties can run and cry all day but you can't hide from this reality........
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$10T<$1T?
Since when?
 
Navy Pride said:
Then they grow older and wiser and realize how wrong they were...........
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They grow old and senile and lose touch with basic morals and realities.

The younger generation is learning from the mistakes of the older generation.
 
Navy Pride said:
Then they grow older and wiser and realize how wrong they were...........
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That's what you call denial.
You can bite your bottom lip and stomp your feet as much as you like Navy. It isn't going to change the inevitable.
 
disneydude said:
We are talking about the right to marry the person that you love without the government stepping in and saying who you can and cannot marry.

And if you check your map...more and more countries every day are catching on. Sadly the US trails the world once again when it comes to human rights.
But the US will get there as well.....just more slowly.
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No, I looked at the map. and I don't see the disparity that it seems so important to you to be there.
 
disneydude said:
That's what you call denial.
You can bite your bottom lip and stomp your feet as much as you like Navy. It isn't going to change the inevitable.
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Well just tell me where have you won when the people voted?
 
Navy Pride said:
Then they grow older and wiser and realize how wrong they were...........
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Except that is not what has happened. From my perspective, those older people have always been against gays, the middle aged generation not as much, but generally, and the younger generation not at all. When I was a kid, gays where seen as scum by everyone.
 
Navy Pride said:
Well just tell me where have you won when the people voted?
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Human rights are not subject to a vote of the people. That's what you don't get Navy.

Regardless, the attitudes of the people are changing as well, so you are losing on both ends.
 
Navy Pride said:
You have mickey mouse math there my left wing............You been going to Disney land with Disney Dude?:rofl
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Again, you are saying Obama's One Trillion is greater than the debt of Reagan and both Bush's. I predict that over the next 7 years of the Obama administration the deficit will fall. Obama will most likely, like Clinton, add less to the debt than Reagan did.
 
Redress said:
Except that is not what has happened. From my perspective, those older people have always been against gays, the middle aged generation not as much, but generally, and the younger generation not at all. When I was a kid, gays where seen as scum by everyone.
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It happened to me and a lot of people I know..........When I was young I was liberal as hell...Then I grew older snd wiser got married had children and realized there are no free rides and changed the error of our wayss.....
 
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Redress said:
Except that is not what has happened. From my perspective, those older people have always been against gays, the middle aged generation not as much, but generally, and the younger generation not at all. When I was a kid, gays where seen as scum by everyone.
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Thank You.

So true. I remember even my father was very anti-gay in his 40's and 50's. Now....he is in his 80's and has come to the realization that people are people and that the government should not have a role in deciding who and who you aren't allowed to marry.
 
Navy Pride said:
It happened to me and a lot of people I know..........When I was young I was liberal as hell...Then I grew older, got married had children and realized there are no free rides and changed the error of our wayss.....
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Riiiiiiight!.... Now THAT is funny. I'm calling you out on this one. There is no way in Hell that you are going to convince anyone other than yourself that you were "liberal as hell".......:doh
 
disneydude said:
Thank You.

So true. I remember even my father was very anti-gay in his 40's and 50's. Now....he is in his 80's and has come to the realization that people are people and that the government should not have a role in deciding who and who you aren't allowed to marry.
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My dad went through that with blacks and hispanics. When I was a kid, he firmly believed that blacks where lazy and worthless, and all the ones who where otherwise where the exception. Before he died, he had a number of good friends who where black, and loved the hispanic family down the road(all mexicans where criminals was how he put it before) who kep horses.
 
Redress said:
My dad went through that with blacks and hispanics. When I was a kid, he firmly believed that blacks where lazy and worthless, and all the ones who where otherwise where the exception. Before he died, he had a number of good friends who where black, and loved the hispanic family down the road(all mexicans where criminals was how he put it before) who kep horses.
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Its amazing what a little education and life experience can do for you.
The younger generation is much more educated and likely has had more experience with gay people than NP's generation.
 
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