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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Warspite said:
Orientation =/= behaviour. One can be a straight male and have sex with men, or be a gay male and have sex with women.
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I would believe that would be a bi-sexual...........
 
Navy Pride said:
I would believe that would be a bi-sexual...........
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No. A Bisexual is someone who is physically attracted to both men and women.

Having sex with someone does not make you gay or straight. A Gay person can have straight sex....a straight person can have gay sex....it doesn't change their orientation.
 
I guess McGreevy left a bad taste in the legislature's mouth, so to speak.....:2razz:
 
texmaster said:
So you reposted a case in the future that has no outcome and laced it with hope for your point of view again as always without factual justification for your position and you expect us to reply to what? Your hope?
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You need factual justification that the case begins on Monday?

I don't understand your point... Did you not read the post?

I stated very clearly why I think this a strong equal protection issue, 18,000 legal marriages, etc...

If you want address why you think it is a weak case and Olson and Boise will not prevail, feel free. I will indeed hope for a more intelligent response from you in the future...
 
disneydude said:
No. The SCOTUS is not an "Activist" court...but there are people out there that are certainly trying to make it into one in order to advance a right-wing social agenda. That's for sure.

They don't even try to hide the fact. They have been active in the last decade hoping to get enough activists on the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and then continue with their right-wing agenda.
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Even most dems say Roe V Wade is bad law...........
 
disneydude said:
Do you consider infertile heterosexual couples marriage inferior to those who have children?

What about fertile couples that choose not to have children?

BTW Navy....I know many gay couples who were able to make a baby and have children. Do you consider their marriages equal since they have children?
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without some type of hel gay men and lesbians can not make a baby on their own.........
 
Navy Pride said:
without some type of hel gay men and lesbians can not make a baby on their own.........
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I have posted the statistics before. NP, there are a large number of gay people with children, either from strait relationships or other methods. Further, a fairly large number of gay couples would like to adopt and foster children. When it comes to children, gay marriage only makes sense.
 
Navy Pride said:
without some type of hel gay men and lesbians can not make a baby on their own.........
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There are 8 to 10 million children in the country that are kids of gay parents or same sex couples.
 
Redress said:
I have posted the statistics before. NP, there are a large number of gay people with children, either from strait relationships or other methods. Further, a fairly large number of gay couples would like to adopt and foster children. When it comes to children, gay marriage only makes sense.
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The fact remains that without some external help two gays can not make a baby on their own......
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah but they did not make them on their own......
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A couple making their own baby seems to be an important issue for you.

When should a straight couple's marriage be terminated for failing to make their own baby?
  • after 1 year?
  • after 2 years?
  • after 3 years?
  • other
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
A couple making their own baby seems to be an important issue for you.

When should a straight couple's marriage be terminated for failing to make their own baby?
  • after 1 year?
  • after 2 years?
  • after 3 years?
  • other
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God made man with a penis. God made woman with a vagina. They fit together in the natural cycle of life, opposites. Electrical cables are built the same way, male to female. Two males don't normally fit together. Two females don't normally fit together. The penis was not made for the anus. One male donating sperm to the anal cavity of another male does not create a baby. It is against the natural order of things and impossible to create a baby.
 
bicycleman said:
God made man with a penis. God made woman with a vagina. They fit together in the natural cycle of life, opposites. Electrical cables are built the same way, male to female. Two males don't normally fit together. Two females don't normally fit together. The penis was not made for the anus. One male donating sperm to the anal cavity of another male does not create a baby. It is against the natural order of things and impossible to create a baby.
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Is there a point to this biology lesson?
 
bicycleman said:
God made man with a penis. God made woman with a vagina. They fit together in the natural cycle of life, opposites. Electrical cables are built the same way, male to female. Two males don't normally fit together. Two females don't normally fit together. The penis was not made for the anus. One male donating sperm to the anal cavity of another male does not create a baby. It is against the natural order of things and impossible to create a baby.
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And procreation is not a requirement for marriage, so the fact that two gay men cannot make a baby doesn't matter.

Why the anti-GM folks bring this up is beyond reason.
 
bicycleman said:
God made man with a penis. God made woman with a vagina. They fit together in the natural cycle of life, opposites. Electrical cables are built the same way, male to female. Two males don't normally fit together. Two females don't normally fit together. The penis was not made for the anus. One male donating sperm to the anal cavity of another male does not create a baby. It is against the natural order of things and impossible to create a baby.
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Condoms are not natural, we should not allow their use.
 
bicycleman said:
God made man with a penis. God made woman with a vagina. They fit together in the natural cycle of life, opposites. Electrical cables are built the same way, male to female. Two males don't normally fit together. Two females don't normally fit together. The penis was not made for the anus. One male donating sperm to the anal cavity of another male does not create a baby. It is against the natural order of things and impossible to create a baby.
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Who said that all sex has to be for procreation? Every time you have sex is it to knock someone up? Homosexual behavior is very abundant in nature, as it is observed in hundreds of species of animals. In Bonobos, our closest genetic hominid relative, sex is used as a social bonding agent. The same holds true for many species of primates. And if homosexual sex didn't serve its intended purpose, then people wouldn't do it.
 
TheNextEra said:
And procreation is not a requirement for marriage, so the fact that two gay men cannot make a baby doesn't matter.

Why the anti-GM folks bring this up is beyond reason.
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I am here to backup Navy Pride's argument that 2 men or 2 women cannot make a baby. He has had to repeat his argument over and over but no one here seems to be accepting it. He is correct, whether any of you want to admit it or not.
 
bicycleman said:
I am here to backup Navy Pride's argument that 2 men or 2 women cannot make a baby. He has had to repeat his argument over and over but no one here seems to be accepting it. He is correct, whether any of you want to admit it or not.
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There are any number of ways a gay couple could get a baby, some involving previous strait relationships, artificial insemination or surrogate mother arrangements, adoption, fostering, and others.
 
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