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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Yes Navy....we can hear you quacking. At least I'm not afraid to admit what I am and try to portray myself as something that I am not.

well you say your not a Sheehan or Moore supporter but you believe exactly as they do......... I guess if I were you I would be ashamed of that to.....
 
There is nothing wrong with being red headed but you can not call it the norm because the majority are right handed.......The problem is we are not talking about red haired or left handed are we?

I think we are trying to establish what is normal and what is not.

Whereas, left-handed, red-headed, gay, black, neocon, people do make up a very small portion of society, are they to be considered abnormal?

I think not because we have had red haired, left handed, gay and black people since the beginning of man's time, have we not?

I agree that they are rare, but not abnormal.

When I see albino squirells (or even those jet black squirrels) while I am deer hunting, I know that they are a rarity. But I do see them quite often. So, to me, it's quite normal to see an albino squirrel.

I, occassionally, run across people I know to be gay. That's normal too. It don't bother me none.

Now, show me a red headed gay black man, and I will agree. That's abnormal.
 
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I think we are trying to establish what is normal and what is not.

Whereas, left-handed, red-headed, gay, black, neocon, people do make up a very small portion of society, are they to be considered abnormal?

I think not because we have had red haired, left handed, gay and black people since the beginning of man's time, have we not?

I agree that they are rare, but not abnormal.

When I see albino squirells (or even those jet black squirrels) while I am deer hunting, I know that they are a rarity. But I do see them quite often. So, to me, it's quite normal to see an albino squirrel.

I, occassionally, run across people I know to be gay. That's normal too. It don't bother me none.

I don't say that being lefthanded is not normal I just say that most people are right handed so that is the norm..........I would not know what you call being left handed...i guess different..........That is not bad........Hell my brother was red headed.....I will say one thing though.........Red heads have worse tempers then people with other colored hair.............
 
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Yes it is..............

Excellent. Blacks are normal, even though they are a minority of the population.

Therefore, it is hypocritical to say that gays are abnormal because they are a minority of the population. If you cannot agree with this statement, then you are being hypocritical and inconsistent.
 
well you say your not a Sheehan or Moore supporter but you believe exactly as they do......... I guess if I were you I would be ashamed of that to.....

I never said I wasn't a supporter...I said that I don't share all of their views.

I actually enjoy Michael Moore as an entertainer. I think his films are well made. I don't go to them to get informed though. I go to laugh....I think he is better when he sticks to the humor than when he gets into the conspiracy stuff.

Sheehan....I admire her tenacity....but I think that she is misguided in many ways.
 
I'm not twisting words at all. You said that people that are not in the majority are not normal.

So according to your logic....blacks are not normal, latinos are not normal....asians are not normal.

The only "normal" people in your book are white heterosexuals.

Such a limited view of the world.

Not the norm in this country. Do you call illegals the norm for this country.

Do you call bikers the norm for this country. Yet the gay community is demanding i call them normal. It is seen on this thread,
 
I don't say that being lefthanded is not normal I just say that most people are right handed so that is the norm..........I would not know what you call being left handed...i guess different..........That is not bad........Hell my brother was red headed.....I will say one thing though.........Red heads have worse tempers then people with other colored hair.............

Navy....you are having a conversation all to yourself. Please....if you ar going to participate in this converation, please keep on topic....we aren't talking the "norm" or "average"....we are talking normal v. abnormal.

If you want to start a different conversation on the "norm"...feel free.
 
I don't say that being lefthanded is not normal I just say that most people are right handed so that is the norm..........I would not know what you call being left handed...i guess different..........That is not bad........

I see what you're saying. Makes sense.

Gays are not the norm but neither are they abnormal.

I agree.

But I think, since mankind has always has had homosexuals, and always will, as a whole it seems to be normal that they are here now.
 
So, you are telling us that you are using the words normal and average synonymously? If that is the case, would you consider being left handed abnormal? Would you consider being black abnormal?

I have not said anything is abnormal. Just because it is not the norm does not make it abnormal.

What does the definition i posted say. Go to the link and see where it comes from.
 
Not the norm in this country. Do you call illegals the norm for this country.

Do you call bikers the norm for this country. Yet the gay community is demanding i call them normal. It is seen on this thread,

You've changed the word. Tell us... and this is a yes or no question... are blacks normal?
 
Not the norm in this country. Do you call illegals the norm for this country.

Do you call bikers the norm for this country. Yet the gay community is demanding i call them normal. It is seen on this thread,

You are shifting the topic...probably because your inconsistencies are being exposed.

You said that being outside the majority makes one abnormal. So you must view racial and religious minorities as abnormal then....right?

Its ok to say no. Just explain your inconsistencies if you do...that's all.
 
I have not said anything is abnormal. Just because it is not the norm does not make it abnormal.

What does the definition i posted say. Go to the link and see where it comes from.

So, as I asked, are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?
 
So, you're telling me, by the same standard, that my red-headed brother is not normal? After all, only a small group of people have red hair.

You must have already met my brother then. It wouldn't matter what color his hair is, he ain't normal.

Read the definition i linked
 

I'll need to address these when I get home from work. My initial examination is that you are misrepresenting when you say "infiltrate" as much of what is being discussed is sex ed. information. However, I will need to further examinate this material.
 
I'll need to address these when I get home from work. My initial examination is that you are misrepresenting when you say "infiltrate" as much of what is being discussed is sex ed. information. However, I will need to further examinate this material.

The links are all far-right propoganda...I clicked on two and stopped at that...
 
So, if someone is black, they are not normal, correct?

Not the normal race of this country at this time. They soon will be and whites will no longer be the normal.

You have to say what I have said out of context to prove your point. This shows me you have no argument and I have seen nothing from the left providing proof gay is normal.
 
The links are all far-right propoganda...I clicked on two and stopped at that...

That's what I noticed too, but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll still take a better look at them.
 
Not the normal race of this country at this time. They soon will be and whites will no longer be the normal.

You have to say what I have said out of context to prove your point. This shows me you have no argument and I have seen nothing from the left providing proof gay is normal.


Why do you consider blacks an abnormal race? Just because they aren't in the majority? Seriously?
 
Not the normal race of this country at this time. They soon will be and whites will no longer be the normal.

You have to say what I have said out of context to prove your point. This shows me you have no argument and I have seen nothing from the left providing proof gay is normal.

You have still not addressed my question: So, as I asked, are you using the words "average" and "normal" synonymously?
 
If he is using the words normal and average as synonyms, OK. His vocabulary may be problematic, but at least he is consistent. However, if he does NOT view blacks, red-heads, or left handers as ABnormal, than he is being a hypocrite and his position is a complete failure.

Some thing that is not normal is not automatically abnormal. You would probably call my 36 year old autistic son abnormal.

Again you have to take me out of context and make your own theories the way of the debate.
 
Excellent. Blacks are normal, even though they are a minority of the population.

Therefore, it is hypocritical to say that gays are abnormal because they are a minority of the population. If you cannot agree with this statement, then you are being hypocritical and inconsistent.

That is where we part way CC and you know it.........Blacks are a minority, they are born that way......Gays are a group of people that are defined by their lifestyle......Huge difference.......Now i know what your going to come back with that Gays are born that way but I believe the jury is out on that.......
 
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