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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?
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They will not teach my grandchildren that the gay lifestyle is a suitable alternative lifestyle..........I could give a **** less what they do in the privacy of their bedroom but they won't teach them that its OK.
 
They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?
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Gays are infiltrating the schools and churches? Wow.....that's news to me.
I think you've been listening to your right-wing rhetoric too much.
 
They will not teach my grandchildren that the gay lifestyle is a suitable alternative lifestyle..........I could give a **** less what they do in the privacy of their bedroom but they won't teach them that its OK.

It is OK Navy.....maybe not for you...but for others it is. Why do you feel that everyone is entitled to your opinion? Why not afford others their own opinions?
 
FOXNews.com - New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

Civil Unions Yes, changing "marriage" no. Makes sense to me.

SO basically the only thing was just a name change? If I call a pile of cow **** a T-steak or a fillet minion will you eat it? Obviously you think somehow changing the name of something makes it different. New Jersey Has gay marriage, calling it civil union does not make it different. If you support gay marriage then fine come out of the closet and say you support it, don't hide behind paper coated terms for marriage like "civil unions" or "domestic partnerships".
 
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Paraphrasing: 'separate but equal is not equal'.

Altho, it certainly does sound like NJ does do better than most states. The most profound personal story I read expanding on this was Andrew Sullivan telling the story of his long time partner coming to family functions for years, and being introduced as a friend or a partner or whatever. But then one year, after MA allowed gay marriage, his mother introduced his husband as her 'son in law'. He said the sense of inclusion, of family, of joining the circle of tradition was profound.

No, in this case, separate but equal IS equal. The word is really irrelevant. I argue from a pro-GM standpoint all the time. Focusing on the word "marriage" is such a minor issue compared to everything else. When both pros and antis get mired in it all it does is stop any progress right in it's tracks. The issue is for gay couple to have the same rights/abilities as straights. Not to be able to use the same word.
 
Packed? I hardly would say that

I said he was "trying" to pack it. He was unsuccessful in doing so. Thankfully, Obama is going to ensure a balance on the court at least for most of the rest of my lifetime, with at least one more if not two more appointments.
 
You would like to believe that Navy....but you'd only be fooling yourself.
The tide is turning rapidly. Gay marriage is becoming a reality all over the world. The United States is always slower at these things than other countries...but you will see it even within you lifetime....and you take that to your bank....I guarantee it.

You have your head buried in the sandd DD, your losing on every turn..........you have yet to win one state where the people voted...........How can you possibly say your winning.........I know you live in La La land but this is ridiculous...wake up and smell the roses ........
 
Most people have no problem with civil unions with equal rights but are strongly against allowing gays to marriage and every place it has went to the vote by the people it has been strongly defeated...........

Personally, I think it is just as stupid for antis to have a problem with gay couple using the word marriage as I do with pros insisting on the word marriage being used.
 
No, in this case, separate but equal IS equal. The word is really irrelevant. I argue from a pro-GM standpoint all the time. Focusing on the word "marriage" is such a minor issue compared to everything else. When both pros and antis get mired in it all it does is stop any progress right in it's tracks. The issue is for gay couple to have the same rights/abilities as straights. Not to be able to use the same word.


The ones affected by it argue that it is not equal, and that the 'word' is not irrelevant. Did not the Supreme Court say separate but equal can never be equal? You seem to acknowledge that with your stance that 'marriage' should be abolished for all state-sanctioned 'civil unions' and reserved for religious 'marriage ceremonies'.

Did not the people arguing for separate but equal say that things were equal?

If you go down a check list and one thing is reserved for one group, and another thing for another group, then that's not really equal. You judge the difference is not important, but others judge it is important. If things were in fact, equal, there would be no subjective differences in perception.
 
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Sorry, never going to happen, honestly most of us believe gay marriage has very little to do with it..........the issue is forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle down our throats..Making it the same as the straight lifestyle ......Gay marriage is just the first step in rying to accomplish that......

Stop it, NP. No one is forcing the gay lifestyle down your throat. That's a silly talking point.
 
You have your head buried in the sandd DD, your losing on every turn..........you have yet to win one state where the people voted...........How can you possibly say your winning.........I know you live in La La land but this is ridiculous...wake up and smell the roses ........


Its clear that gay marriage is going to be a reality...even to those on the far right. You look at the shift in acceptance over the last decade...its exponential.

Gay marriage was losing by 20-30 points not even a decade ago. Today, in many states its in single digits. Its only a matter of time. The intolerant are dying off and the younger generation is much more educated and accepting.
 
They will not teach my grandchildren that the gay lifestyle is a suitable alternative lifestyle..........I could give a **** less what they do in the privacy of their bedroom but they won't teach them that its OK.

If they go to government schools they will. The GLSEN has made that happen. You know Obama's safe school Czar.
 
I said he was "trying" to pack it. He was unsuccessful in doing so. Thankfully, Obama is going to ensure a balance on the court at least for most of the rest of my lifetime, with at least one more if not two more appointments.

Obama wil be gone in 2012, the one old witch will be gone and so will Douglas.......You are in big trouble my friend when it comes to the SCOTUS......your only hope is they are gone before Obama is gone and he will appoint 2 lefties and the balance will remain the same...........
 
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They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?
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Again, stop with the silly talking points... or demonstrate how they are "infiltrating". :roll:
 
I said he was "trying" to pack it. He was unsuccessful in doing so. Thankfully, Obama is going to ensure a balance on the court at least for most of the rest of my lifetime, with at least one more if not two more appointments.

You mean Bush kept it equal Obama will pack it with liberals.
 
Obama wil be gone in 2012, the one old witch will be gone and so will Douglas.......You are in big trouble my friend when it comes to the SCOTUS......your only hope is they are gone before Obama is gone and he will appoint 2 lefties and the ba,ance will remain the same...........

Don't be so sure. With the economy rebounding, I don't see anyone in the GOP that is going to beat Obama (Palin? :doh)

That aside, Obama's election destroyed all hopes of the evangelical right to pack the Supreme Court with ultra right activist judges. It was a HUGE defeat for them because they had hoped that with one or two more justices they might get Roe v. Wade overturned and be able to pass all kinds of other right-wing social agenda items. Fortunately, Obama will have at least one and possibly 2 more appointments. Even more if something unforeseen were to happen to one of the other justices (and I'm not hoping that it does).
The reality is....Obama's election secured a balance on the Supreme Court for probably the next couple of decades.
 
Personally, I think it is just as stupid for antis to have a problem with gay couple using the word marriage as I do with pros insisting on the word marriage being used.


That is your opinion unfortunately for you most people don't feel that way.......
 
You mean Bush kept it equal Obama will pack it with liberals.

Unfortunately no. I would love Obama to put a real liberal on the court. It isn't going to happen. Obama is a moderate. We knew that going into it. With the political climate in America today, it is unlikely a true liberal would be elected President. Obama's first choice was a moderate. I expect the next one will be as well.
 
Again, stop with the silly talking points... or demonstrate how they are "infiltrating". :roll:

They are teaching in kindergarten that gay is normal. Then you have church splits caused by gay clergy ordained.

To say nothing of day of silence.
 
That is your opinion unfortunately for you most people don't feel that way.......

But that's what make America great, Navy....at least the America that was and should be......we are entitled to different opinions....everybody does not have to have yours.
 
I live there now :lol:

Even the Republican senator Susan Collins is moderate to left leaning and rarely votes with the conservatives.........Wake up and smell the roses my friend.........If Maine were a Conservative state they would have conservatives in the senate.........
 
They are teaching in kindergarten that gay is normal. Then you have church splits caused by gay clergy ordained.

To say nothing of day of silence.

BS. You need to turn down your right-wing radio......seriously.
 
The ones affected by it argue that it is not equal, and that the 'word' is not irrelevant. Did not the Supreme Court say separate but equal can never be equal? You seem to acknowledge that with your stance that 'marriage' should be abolished for all state-sanctioned 'civil unions' and reserved for religious 'marriage ceremonies'.

Did not the people arguing for separate but equal say that things were equal?

If you go down a check list and one thing is reserved for one group, and another thing for another group, then that's not really equal. You judge the difference is not important, but others judge it is important. If things were in fact, equal, there would be no subjective differences in perception.

The problem with this argument is that gays are not trying to get to use the word marriage. They are trying to get all of the benefits that go along with being married. I look at the GM debate in a very pragmatic way. They could call gay marriage "oyster" for all I care. If the benefits are the same, GM has won. Staying mired in who gets to use the term marriage detracts from the real issue. Look at this thread. Perfect example of that. "We want to use the word marriage", "No, you can't". Rinse, repeat. And guess what? While this is happening, gay couples don't get the benefits. The problem with the pro-GM movement is that they look at things in a very black and white way rather than a shade of gray incremental assault. This along with focusing on discrimination rather than family is why they constantly lose.
 
Don't be so sure. With the economy rebounding, I don't see anyone in the GOP that is going to beat Obama (Palin? :doh)

That aside, Obama's election destroyed all hopes of the evangelical right to pack the Supreme Court with ultra right activist judges. It was a HUGE defeat for them because they had hoped that with one or two more justices they might get Roe v. Wade overturned and be able to pass all kinds of other right-wing social agenda items. Fortunately, Obama will have at least one and possibly 2 more appointments. Even more if something unforeseen were to happen to one of the other justices (and I'm not hoping that it does).
The reality is....Obama's election secured a balance on the Supreme Court for probably the next couple of decades.

Health care and amnesty and tax increases will kill Obama's chances. Don't forget cap and tax.
 
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