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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    Packed? I hardly would say that
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You would like to believe that Navy....but you'd only be fooling yourself.
    The tide is turning rapidly. Gay marriage is becoming a reality all over the world. The United States is always slower at these things than other countries...but you will see it even within you lifetime....and you take that to your bank....I guarantee it.
    You have your head buried in the sandd DD, your losing on every turn..........you have yet to win one state where the people voted...........How can you possibly say your winning.........I know you live in La La land but this is ridiculous...wake up and smell the roses ........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Most people have no problem with civil unions with equal rights but are strongly against allowing gays to marriage and every place it has went to the vote by the people it has been strongly defeated...........
    Personally, I think it is just as stupid for antis to have a problem with gay couple using the word marriage as I do with pros insisting on the word marriage being used.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, in this case, separate but equal IS equal. The word is really irrelevant. I argue from a pro-GM standpoint all the time. Focusing on the word "marriage" is such a minor issue compared to everything else. When both pros and antis get mired in it all it does is stop any progress right in it's tracks. The issue is for gay couple to have the same rights/abilities as straights. Not to be able to use the same word.

    The ones affected by it argue that it is not equal, and that the 'word' is not irrelevant. Did not the Supreme Court say separate but equal can never be equal? You seem to acknowledge that with your stance that 'marriage' should be abolished for all state-sanctioned 'civil unions' and reserved for religious 'marriage ceremonies'.

    Did not the people arguing for separate but equal say that things were equal?

    If you go down a check list and one thing is reserved for one group, and another thing for another group, then that's not really equal. You judge the difference is not important, but others judge it is important. If things were in fact, equal, there would be no subjective differences in perception.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sorry, never going to happen, honestly most of us believe gay marriage has very little to do with it..........the issue is forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle down our throats..Making it the same as the straight lifestyle ......Gay marriage is just the first step in rying to accomplish that......
    Stop it, NP. No one is forcing the gay lifestyle down your throat. That's a silly talking point.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You have your head buried in the sandd DD, your losing on every turn..........you have yet to win one state where the people voted...........How can you possibly say your winning.........I know you live in La La land but this is ridiculous...wake up and smell the roses ........

    Its clear that gay marriage is going to be a reality...even to those on the far right. You look at the shift in acceptance over the last decade...its exponential.

    Gay marriage was losing by 20-30 points not even a decade ago. Today, in many states its in single digits. Its only a matter of time. The intolerant are dying off and the younger generation is much more educated and accepting.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They will not teach my grandchildren that the gay lifestyle is a suitable alternative lifestyle..........I could give a **** less what they do in the privacy of their bedroom but they won't teach them that its OK.
    If they go to government schools they will. The GLSEN has made that happen. You know Obama's safe school Czar.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I said he was "trying" to pack it. He was unsuccessful in doing so. Thankfully, Obama is going to ensure a balance on the court at least for most of the rest of my lifetime, with at least one more if not two more appointments.
    Obama wil be gone in 2012, the one old witch will be gone and so will Douglas.......You are in big trouble my friend when it comes to the SCOTUS......your only hope is they are gone before Obama is gone and he will appoint 2 lefties and the balance will remain the same...........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Gays are infiltrating the schools and churches? Wow.....that's news to me.
    I think you've been listening to your right-wing rhetoric too much.
    You must not be informed.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?
    Again, stop with the silly talking points... or demonstrate how they are "infiltrating".
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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