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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    This is the part where you accuse me of just rejecting everything out my alleged hatred of gays.....

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Not "family" in a vague sense, but couples raising children specifically. If the couple does not reproduce, they are not a sociological organism and should not be elevated as such.
    That is a matter of your personal opinion. There are more societal advantages to marriage than simply procreation or child rearing.

    Did you also notice how the author cited the "Creator" mentioned in the DoI while omitting the fact that that same "Creator" specifically forbids same-sex sex?
    The DOI was written largely by Desists who did not necessarily believe in a Biblical God. Second, the debate of whether or not the Biblcial God condemns monogamous homosexuality is an entirely different issue. He condemned hedonistic homosexuality, as occurring between priests (Levitcus) or outside of marriage (Paul). Furthermore, given that homosexual behavior occurs rampantly in nature, it can no longer be argued to be an "unnatural" act (Paul). Same sex marriage kind of closes the door on the adultery argument. As such, there is not much reasoning to support the idea that the Biblical god condemned monogamous homosexuality.

    Hypocrisy indeed.
    Only if you have no grasp of history.

    Do you not see the "strictly legal contract" argument when you see it?

    These are simply the same old tired out liberal arguments repackaged for a new gullible voting block.
    How is it not a classical liberal argument?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is the part where you accuse me of just rejecting everything out my alleged hatred of gays.....
    No, this is where I accuse you of trying to put words in people's mouths instead of listening to their arguments.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sorry I don't read the left wing rag Newsweek............
    Maybe you should start!

    It's good enough for Ted Olson, one of the nation's top conservative lawyers, after all ...

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is a matter of your personal opinion.
    Your dismissal tactic is noted and, ironically, dismissed.


    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There are more societal advantages to marriage than simply procreation or child rearing.
    Non of them matter without children. No children, no marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The DOI was written largely by Desists.....
    It was written by Christians, with perhaps one or two exceptions, both of whom admitted that even if we don't know God exists it is better to assume that God does.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Only if you have no grasp of history.
    Yeah because insulting me like that is the best way to convince me of you're point of view.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How is it not a classical liberal argument?
    Oh a re-direct...very nice...and I might add that I love how you're trying to paint Conservatives with a 'liberal brush now.

    Conservatives don't self-identify as Classic Liberals...otherwise we would call ourselves "Classic Liberals". But it seems you have a fair grasp of the 3 steps to politicizing an issue: 1. re-name, 2. intimidate/guilt, 3. label, demonize and dismiss.

    You're trying to re-name Conservatives so as to encourage Conservatives to sympathize with Liberals by blurring the lines.

    Let me tell you now that our sense of identity is such that if we were a drop of water, we would retain our shape and original molecules if put in the ocean.

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    It's not a Conservative argument because marriage is not a sterile legal contract. The legalities are the accessory to the union, they are not the core of the union to which the relationship is an accessory.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The article is written entirely by a Theodore Olson, a major figure in the Conservative legal movement, and the man who represented your hero, George W., when he was up against Gore for the presidency.

    Of course, admitting that you engage in confirmation bias really explains a lot about you.
    I know who he is...He is Barbara Olson's husband and he has gone a little nuts since she died on one of the planes that went down on 9/11.......Oh and when is your girlfriend Cindy Sheehan going to write something?
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I know who he is...He is Barbara Olson's husband and he has gone a little nuts since she died on one of the planes that went down on 9/11.......Oh and when is your girlfriend Cindy Sheehan going to write something?
    You didn't bother to read the article, did you?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    I actually did when I was young and a liberal.......Then I grew up got a lot smarter and learned the truth.........You should try it.........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    You didn't bother to read the article, did you?
    I told you I don't read left wing garbage....what part of that do you not understand?
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I actually did when I was young and a liberal.......Then I grew up got a lot smarter and learned the truth.........You should try it.........
    So if a conservative writes an article that gets published in a liberal magazine, does that somehow change the content of the article?

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