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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, I didn't say that. I said all things being equal, the sex of the parent doesn't matter as long as it is a stable, loving two parent household. I never said BETTER.
    Sorry no man can take the place of the birth mother and do a good of a job as she can.......its just not possible.................
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    Calm down NP. All is well.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sorry no man can take the place of the birth mother and do a good of a job as she can.......its just not possible.................
    From an emotional/social standpoint? I don't agree, NP. It may not be the same, but it can be as good. All the data shows this.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They are not my second rate civil unions, they are what most gays want and "rabble rousing feel good liberals like you and black dog" stir the pot pot.........we saw he same **** after the Vietnam war when rabble rousers like you spit and cussed out the returning troops..........
    Nice stretch....not even slightly related (and by the way...you spit on the troops every day more than I ever would by willy-nilly giving up the freedoms that they are fighting and dying for).
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nice stretch....not even slightly related (and by the way...you spit on the troops every day more than I ever would by willy-nilly giving up the freedoms that they are fighting and dying for).
    That's stretching it calling that, freedom.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    If you think I am a neocon so be it.......again I am so very proud of my neo conservatism...............

    If being a neo con means your for small government, less taxes, anti abortion, anti gay marraige, etc....... then I proudly plead guilty................
    Being 'neo' doesn't really mean that. Neoconservatives are for productive government, small or somewhat big. The social issues are vague as well, depending upon who you ask. If it were not for the defense of modernity's welfare liberalism, there would have been little reason to identify it as a 'neo' prefix.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Being 'neo' doesn't really mean that. Neoconservatives are for productive government, small or somewhat big. The social issues are vague as well, depending upon who you ask. If it were not for the defense of modernity's welfare liberalism, there would have been little reason to identify it as a 'neo' prefix.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He wants to put a label on m well I don't really care because I know what I am better then he ever will............
    No not that? You mean like the label you try and put on everyone else?

    Hypocrite much?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If you read the entire article, you would notice that the authors consistently make statements assertaining that research demonstrates that children reared from same sex couples do as well as those from opposite sex couples. This particular study has been taken out of context so many times that Judith Stacey herself has had to denounce the critics and state, clearly what I just said above:
    My summary is entirely consistent with what she says:
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    [The authors] challenge "no-difference" claims in the literature (claiming the differences are positive, you may or may not agree).
    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
    Stacey concluded that although there can be slight variations, even advantages, to the development of children of same-sex parents, these were “differences, not deficiencies.”
    My point was that while many researchers claim there is "no difference" - other researchers rexamining the data may disagree. In this instance, the authors detail several differences that they interpret in a positive light.

    People can read the article for themselves to determine whether or not they agree that the differences are positive.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As Stacey herself said, there are differences in same sex families. These are not necessarily deficiencies or benefits; just difference.
    I left the interpretation up to the reader, who can read about the differences themselves and interpret as they wish (positive/negative/neutral). In the article it's true that Stacey interprets many of these as benefits, not mere differences.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One of the studies that I often quote... and I have to find the one I am referring, explains this quite well. Same sex families, because of their very nature, tend to be more open about sexuality issues. This is a response to explaining the parental structure to the children, since it is not the average family structure. What researchers have found is that this does NOT create an increase in gay sexual orientation. What it DOES do, is it creates a more open-minded perception of sexuality in these children.
    I acknowledged that there were many potential interpretations, and this is certainly one of those.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    the point that I stated is still accurate: there's no correlation between children of same sex couples being more likely to become gay
    The point I took issue with was that there was no research disputing this finding, which was false. The Stacey article does just that. They looked at two studies, one specifically examining "sexual orientation," the other assessing whether the child has had one or more same-sex relationships (not encounters).

    Thus far, research in this area has been "rudimentary" - it's premature to claim that no correlation exists.
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