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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    I asked for clarification. If you cannot/will not provide that, say so, and we'll move on.
    I thought I had but I can do so again.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    The books in the Old Testament are much older.
    On that note, I'd like to purpose a ballot measure in California that people who eat shellfish can't get married. Because that's an abomination, too.

    We also need to get the following Old Testament rules back on the books:

    • Heterosexual intercourse when a woman has her period (Leviticus 18:19)
    • Harvesting the corners of a field (19:9) Time saver. I like it.
    • Eating fruit from a young tree (19:23) Put it back, kid!!
    • Cross-breeding livestock (19:19) Hear that, Labradoodles!!
    • Sowing a field with mixed seed (19:19) Humboldt County??
    • Shaving or getting a hair cut (19:27) Damn Stylists!
    • Tattoos (19:28) Oops! No more tramp stamps for the ladies.
    • Even a mildly disabled person from becoming a priest (21:18) Huh?
    • Charging of interest on a loan (25:37) Ouch!
    • Collecting firewood on Saturday to prevent your family from freezing -- Seriously?
    • Wearing of clothes made from a blend of textile materials; today this might be cotton and polyester. Call the fashionista, we got an abomination.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    For interested and open-minded readers I'll leave this before moving on... I've pasted the abstract for the article I mentioned earlier. Some points of interest, the authors:

    1) Challenge "no-difference" claims in the literature (claiming the differences are positive, you may or may not agree).
    2) Claim that recent research indicates higher proportions of children with gay parents are apt to engage in homosexual activity themselves.

    They expressly point out that children of gay parents seem to express significantly more homosexual desires but nonetheless self-identify as "heterosexual." (There are many ways in which this could be explained, the take home message being that there is still much research to do before we understand this.)

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    Opponents of lesbian and gay parental rights claim that children with lesbigay parents are at higher risk for a variety of negative outcomes. Yet most research in psychology concludes that there are no differences in developmental outcomes between children raised by lesbigay parents and those raised by heterosexual parents. This analysis challenges this defensive conceptual framework and analyzes how heterosexism has hampered intellectual progress in the field. The authors discuss limitations in the definitions, samples, and analyses of the studies to date. Next they explore findings from 21 studies and demonstrate that researchers frequently downplay findings indicating difference regarding children's gender and sexual preferences and behavior that could stimulate important theoretical questions. A less defensive, more sociologically informed analytic framework is proposed for investigating these issues. The framework focuses on (1) whether selection effects produced by homophobia account for associations between parental sexual orientations and child outcomes; (2) the role of parental gender vis-a-vis sexual orientation in influencing children's gender development; and (3) the relationship between parental sexual orientations and children's sexual preferences and behaviors.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    On that note, I'd like to purpose a ballot measure in California that people who eat shellfish can't get married. Because that's an abomination, too.

    We also need to get the following Old Testament rules back on the books:

    • Heterosexual intercourse when a woman has her period (Leviticus 18:19)
    • Harvesting the corners of a field (19:9) Time saver. I like it.
    • Eating fruit from a young tree (19:23) Put it back, kid!!
    • Cross-breeding livestock (19:19) Hear that, Labradoodles!!
    • Sowing a field with mixed seed (19:19) Humboldt County??
    • Shaving or getting a hair cut (19:27) Damn Stylists!
    • Tattoos (19:28) Oops! No more tramp stamps for the ladies.
    • Even a mildly disabled person from becoming a priest (21:18) Huh?
    • Charging of interest on a loan (25:37) Ouch!
    • Collecting firewood on Saturday to prevent your family from freezing -- Seriously?
    • Wearing of clothes made from a blend of textile materials; today this might be cotton and polyester. Call the fashionista, we got an abomination.
    Your objections to scripture are as erroneous as Taylor's argument.

    However, at least Taylor is on topic.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    (but understand that mods need to apply the rules consistently - which can be more difficult than it seems)
    Just to clear the air - my comment above may sound like sarcasm, but I was being genuine. Moderating is a thankless job, kudos to all those who donate their time to keep this board going.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    For interested and open-minded readers I'll leave this before moving on... I've pasted the abstract for the article I mentioned earlier. Some points of interest, the authors:

    1) Challenge "no-difference" claims in the literature (claiming the differences are positive, you may or may not agree).
    If you read the entire article, you would notice that the authors consistently make statements assertaining that research demonstrates that children reared from same sex couples do as well as those from opposite sex couples. This particular study has been taken out of context so many times that Judith Stacey herself has had to denounce the critics and state, clearly what I just said above:

    Stacey reiterated for the assembled families and news media the basic conclusion of her research: “The sexual orientation or gender combination of the parents raising children does not have much impact on children’s development; the quality of the parents’ relationship and the quality of their parenting does.” Stacey concluded that although there can be slight variations, even advantages, to the development of children of same-sex parents, these were “differences, not deficiencies.”
    Stacey contradicted the argument most often made in denying same-sex couples the equal rights and responsibilities of marriage: that children do better in families headed by heterosexual couples. “Whenever you hear Focus on the Family, legislators or lawyers say, ‘studies prove that children do better in families with a mother and a father,’ they are referring to studies which compare two-parent heterosexual households to single-parent households. The studies they are talking about do not cite research on families headed by gay and lesbian couples.” Stacey said the tragedy of this inaccurate quoting of legitimate research is that it has real negative effects on same-sex couples and their children. She cited the recent New York state superior court decision that used this unproven argument to deny same-sex couples and their children the rights and benefits of marriage.
    “The bottom line is there is no research-based reason to deny rights to same-sex couples and their children. We should be passing laws and making policies that make life easier for all families -- not harder.”



    NYU Sociologist Denounces Focus on the Family’s Misuse of her Research on Development of Children of Same-Sex Couples
    2) Claim that recent research indicates higher proportions of children with gay parents are apt to engage in homosexual activity themselves.

    They expressly point out that children of gay parents seem to express significantly more homosexual desires but nonetheless self-identify as "heterosexual." (There are many ways in which this could be explained, the take home message being that there is still much research to do before we understand this.)
    One of the studies that I often quote... and I have to find the one I am referring, explains this quite well. Same sex families, because of their very nature, tend to be more open about sexuality issues. This is a response to explaining the parental structure to the children, since it is not the average family structure. What researchers have found is that this does NOT create an increase in gay sexual orientation. What it DOES do, is it creates a more open-minded perception of sexuality in these children. Since all teens will have varying thoughts of sexuality, the kids in these families may believe that it is more acceptable to act on these thoughts, rather than subdue them. This has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It has to do with sexual behavior. As Stacey herself said, there are differences in same sex families. These are not necessarily deficiencies or benefits; just differences. Is it better for kids to feel more able to be accepted if they act on homosexual feelings? Maybe yes, maybe no, but since sexual behavior and sexual orientation are two different things and there is no connection between same sex parents and gay sexual orientation of their children, the point that I stated is still accurate: there's no correlation between children of same sex couples being more likely to become gay
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Just to clear the air - my comment above may sound like sarcasm, but I was being genuine. Moderating is a thankless job, kudos to all those who donate their time to keep this board going.
    I can accept that... and I appreciate you clarifying and the sentiments.

    I officially retract my warning.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I know I am going to get thread banned or something but...

    Are you that ****ing stupid? Are you really that big of an idiot?

    You have got to be pulling our legs or something.
    Well answer the ****ing question instead of making stupid remarks.......You won't be banned I won't report you..I just consider the source...........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You can take your second rate "civil unions" and shove it. Gay people should not have to take the scraps that you or anyone else wants to throw to them.
    Why is it that people like you feel that you are entitled to more than any other person has the right to...and Why do you think that you have the right to say that anyone should be happy with an inferior classification just because you don't feel that you are willing to share your word.
    Gays shouldn't ever sink to the level where they will accept their "massa's" crumbs and be grateful because of the "generosity"....puh....lease!
    They are not my second rate civil unions, they are what most gays want and "rabble rousing feel good liberals like you and black dog" stir the pot pot.........we saw he same **** after the Vietnam war when rabble rousers like you spit and cussed out the returning troops..........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well answer the ****ing question instead of making stupid remarks.......You won't be banned I won't report you..I just consider the source...........
    Calm down NP. All is well.

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    I apologies to Navy Pride and Taylor for the other over the top comment. I knew the hammer would come down on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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