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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh I see. There's a historical chain of events for Babylon but not for the Bible.
    Not concerning the Constitution no. There was no Bible for the first 350 years of Christianity! The first official list of Scriptures was done in 393 at the Council of Hippo, then again in Carthage in 397 and 419. The Church did not infallibly define these books until the Council of Trent, when it was called into question by the Reformers, in 1556.

    The Bible had very little to do with our Constitution. It had some influence as it is or was at the time the main religion. The founders went out of their way to make certain the government was secular, and could not be influenced or condone any religion at all.

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    At least this answers my question regarding whether you are being disingenuous or hopelessley naive. It is the latter.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I figured it was a trap. One thing to note. I have expanded my position somewhat from just a children's standpoint to an entire family's standpoint. You do make an interesting theory, though.
    Your instincts saw it, but I wasn't as obvious this time.

    I must be getting better

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's interesting, NP. I agree 100% with this post... and have been professing this position for years. I just see your position on this as inconsistent with also believing that children in a single sex household can do as well as those in an opposite sex household.

    No matter, though. See? Ultimately, we are on the same side, here.
    All things being equal my friend they just can't..........sure there might be a gay couple raising a child well and a straight couple screwing up royally but like I said all things equal the child is better of with a mother and a father.............
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So are you saying all things equal that you as a man could make a better mother for a child then the actual mother who gave birth to the child?
    Better? No, I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that in a two parent household two males or two females produce children as well adjusted as a two opposite sex household. If the emotional/social support is there in a two parent household, the sex of the two parents does not matter. The is demonstrated to me both through research and through personal observation.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your instincts saw it, but I wasn't as obvious this time.

    I must be getting better
    We haven't posted on the same threads too often, lately. I guess I've gotten rusty.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Better? No, I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that in a two parent household two males or two females produce children as well adjusted as a two opposite sex household. If the emotional/social support is there in a two parent household, the sex of the two parents does not matter. The is demonstrated to me both through research and through personal observation.
    So a gay guy would make a better mother then the birth mother all things equal...........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    All things being equal my friend they just can't..........sure there might be a gay couple raising a child well and a straight couple screwing up royally but like I said all things equal the child is better of with a mother and a father.............
    Sorry NP, but I think we've hit a block. I'm not going to convince you and you're not going to convince me. One thing, though: we do agree that civil unions is the way to go.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So a gay guy would make a better mother then the birth mother all things equal...........
    I know I am going to get thread banned or something but...

    Are you that ****ing stupid? Are you really that big of an idiot?

    You have got to be pulling our legs or something.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So a gay guy would make a better mother then the birth mother all things equal...........
    No, I didn't say that. I said all things being equal, the sex of the parent doesn't matter as long as it is a stable, loving two parent household. I never said BETTER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I know I am going to get thread banned or something but...

    Are you that ****ing stupid? Are you really that big of an idiot?

    You have got to be pulling our legs or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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