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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes all of it does, are you that ignorant or just playing stupid? Everything in history is a chain of events. One leading to the next. The basic concepts of property etc that we have today started in Babylon.
    Oh I see. There's a historical chain of events for Babylon but not for the Bible.

    At least this answers my question regarding whether you are being disingenuous or hopelessley naive. It is the latter.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, what I said is true. I've read the study that you posted several times in the past because it often gets thrown at me. It does NOT say what you seem to be claiming it says, but let's try this: you tell me what you think the study proves.
    The study conflict with your earlier assertion. Tell me why you think it does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The study conflict with your earlier assertion. Tell me why you think it does not.
    Are you going to play THIS game, again? No, I asked you for clarification. I read the study and have before. I want to know what you think it means. You said it conflicts with my earlier assertion. Please clarify this. Without that information, there is no argument.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I absolutely agree. Why didn't you just say this in the first place?
    Why don't gays say that in the first place, instead of letting the fringe radicals speaking for them?
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-10-10 at 12:05 AM.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post




    A point of theory Tucker and I had a while back....

    If marriage is about raising children, then any couple raising children should have access to it (per the 14th amendment), and couples without children should not. This would be regardless of the couple's composition; be it gays, related, mixed race, existing marital status, etc.

    I would like to point out that NJ was trying to change the purpose and definition of marriage away from the raising of children and to just any couple for the sake of that couple remaining intact.

    Absent children, the state has no compelling interest in your relationships. NJ came 6 votes away from putting Big-Bro in your bedroom when Big-Bro did not have a compelling interest to do so.

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    When gays argue for marriage due to the children they rais, yet would not afford those same rights to other couples also raising children, they trip my trap. Their hyperbole can not repel logic of this magnitude!!
    I figured it was a trap. One thing to note. I have expanded my position somewhat from just a children's standpoint to an entire family's standpoint. You do make an interesting theory, though.
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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "It certainly can be. We have lots of laws that discriminate based on gender." - Taylor

    Yes someone is confused, but it is not me.
    You were trying to poke fun at someone for piss-poor spelling.
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    That is not "allot" of gender discrimination laws. You said it, not me.
    Again, you must have the wrong person.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This whole gay marriage thing is nothing but a farce dreamed up by a few militant gays and a bunch of "Feel Good" liberals......There is and openly gay guy on our golf team and a good friend of mine..(He is also our best golfer)....Sadly he lost his partner to AIDS recently.I even went to the funeral........He says he and most of his gay friends would be perfectly happy with civil unions with equal right...(that is exactly what I advocate) He wishes that the activists would just shut up about gay marriage because it is hurting the cause in that it is hurting the movement for civil unions because it turning off straight people who might be sympathetic to their cause of civil unions............

    I totally agree with him because it is even starting to turn me off...........

    You can take your second rate "civil unions" and shove it. Gay people should not have to take the scraps that you or anyone else wants to throw to them.
    Why is it that people like you feel that you are entitled to more than any other person has the right to...and Why do you think that you have the right to say that anyone should be happy with an inferior classification just because you don't feel that you are willing to share your word.
    Gays shouldn't ever sink to the level where they will accept their "massa's" crumbs and be grateful because of the "generosity"....puh....lease!
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Please don't try and change the subject, you do it all the time when your losing the debate.............thanks...........
    Nice dodge...Navy. I think we all know the answer...because you are definitey a "Cafeteria Catholic".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You were trying to poke fun at someone for piss-poor spelling.
    Are you on drugs or something?

    I have not poked fun at anyones spelling because I am piss poor at it myself.

    You said this...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058475420

    To which I replied "Really? Like what?" to which you have tried to use mothers getting custody most of the time (not even a law) and registering for the draft.

    So you have given me much of nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, you must have the wrong person.
    The link does not lie.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We're going to go round and round on this, NP, and you won't see me back off. What you call "common sense" gets trumped by facts and statistics. Long ago, "common sense" was that the earth was flat. Facts proved this inaccurate. Same concept as here.
    So are you saying all things equal that you as a man could make a better mother for a child then the actual mother who gave birth to the child?
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