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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Since you are Roman Catholic Navy....you must be against Capital Punishment, right? Or are you one of those "Cafeteria Catholics"?
    The OT in the Bible is not against capital punishment.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please buy a clue.
    I'm waiting for your answer.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In Lawrence v. Texas sodomy laws were declared unconstitutional.

    Fail.
    Where did those laws originate?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    One of them is, one is not.

    That is not "allot" of gender discrimination laws. You said it, not me.
    You're confusing me with someone else.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes, I actually know what I am talking about. You obviously don't.



    For starters, here are the six principals the Constitution is based on...

    Popular Sovereignty,
    Limited Government,
    Separation of Powers,
    Checks and Balances,
    Judicial Review,
    Federalism

    Nothing biblical there, but most of those can be traced back much farther than the Bible in one civilization or another.

    "Aristotle and other ancient texts may seem irrelevant to modern-day issues such as gun control, but as Emory Law professor David Bederman argues in his new book, "The Classical Foundations of the American Constitution," classical Greek and Roman thinkers had a profound effect on the framers of the document -- and on our courts' interpretation of it today." - Emory University | Atlanta, GA | U.S. Constitution Based on Ancient Writings, Says Emory's Bederman

    "Several ideas in the Constitution were new, and a large number were drawn from the literature of Republicanism in the United States, the experiences of the 13 states, and the British experience with mixed government. The most important influence from the European continent was from Montesquieu, who emphasized the need to have balanced forces pushing against each other to prevent tyranny. (This in itself reflects the influence of Polybius's 2nd century BC treatise on the checks and balances of the constitution of the Roman Republic.) British political philosopher John Locke was a major influence, and the due process clause of the Constitution was partly based on common law stretching back to Magna Carta (1215).[10]

    The United States Bill of Rights consists of the ten amendments added to the Constitution in 1791, as supporters of the constitution had promised critics during the debates of 1788.[15] The English Bill of Rights (1689) was an inspiration for the American Bill of Rights. Both require jury trials, contain a right to keep and bear arms, prohibit excessive bail and forbid "cruel and unusual punishments." Many liberties protected by state constitutions and the Virginia Declaration of Rights were incorporated into the Bill of Rights.
    " - United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    The Constitution is built on the concept of "rule of the people," or society--that each person has the right to affect the laws. Please point out how this is reflected in the Bible? Or how this is influenced by the Bible?

    You mite want to check out this reading list as well...

    Classical Influences on US Constitution

    Any more questions?
    None of this predates the bible. Do I need to give you a history lesson, or do you google?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And if children are involved I could see how it benefits society/the government. Outside of that, there is no evidence that it would or does.





    This is where we part, NP. It may be their opinion, but they have no facts to base this on. I DO.
    Yes, I think we are going round and round in circles here because I know that a child growing up with a father and mother is more successful then on with 2 fathers or 2 mothers...I know you guys on the left don't like "Its common sense" but it really is my friend.........A mother provides certain qualities that a father can not and vice versa and to argue that is not so is just ridiculous.....If a child did not do better with a father and a mother then God would have not set it up that way.............

    .If this country only had gay people in it then it would be doomed because no children would ever be born..........A mother and a father is the natural way......
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Many of the same people felt (and probably still do) that inter-racial marriage degraded homogenous marriage and degrades society.

    Does that make their opinion valid?
    No matter how you slice it marriage between the races was still with a man and a woman, not between 2 men and or 2 women or 5 men and 1 woman etc, etc, etc.....
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Since you are Roman Catholic Navy....you must be against Capital Punishment, right? Or are you one of those "Cafeteria Catholics"?
    Please don't try and change the subject, you do it all the time when your losing the debate.............thanks...........
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Many of the same people felt (and probably still do) that inter-racial marriage degraded homogenous marriage and degrades society.

    Does that make their opinion valid?
    I think they are mostly dead but even so it was still between a man and a woman not between 2 gay men.....try again............
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I'm waiting for your answer.
    don't hold your breath......
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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