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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry...Navy. The gay "lifestyle" is the same as the straight "lifestyle" whether you accept it or not.
    No one is forcing anything down your throat. You are free to accept/respect another person's beliefs or not. That is your perogative. However, you should afford people the same option. Feeling that you are somehow entitled to more than anyone else and your unwillingness to afford others the right to their beliefs simply shows how shortsighted and intolerant you are.
    They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    I lived there stationed at Naval Station Brunswick Maine so don.t try and tell me how liberal it is..........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    But they were pushing for that word, weren't they? It must be more than just a word to them then.
    I'm saying MY position on this. To me, the issue is more important than the word. And as I said, to me, what needs to occur is "marriage" needs to be out of government all together; all unions should be civil unions with "marriage" reserved for religion.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's not discriminatory if it's wrong for them to use it.
    Hold on... tell us why it is "WRONG".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You lose again/still DD...You can't even win in your state the most liberal state in this country....give it up my left wing friend...............Gay marriage is a dead issue.........
    You would like to believe that Navy....but you'd only be fooling yourself.
    The tide is turning rapidly. Gay marriage is becoming a reality all over the world. The United States is always slower at these things than other countries...but you will see it even within you lifetime....and you take that to your bank....I guarantee it.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?
    They will not teach my grandchildren that the gay lifestyle is a suitable alternative lifestyle..........I could give a **** less what they do in the privacy of their bedroom but they won't teach them that its OK.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are infiltrating the schools and churches and it is not being forced on us?
    Gays are infiltrating the schools and churches? Wow.....that's news to me.
    I think you've been listening to your right-wing rhetoric too much.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They will not teach my grandchildren that the gay lifestyle is a suitable alternative lifestyle..........I could give a **** less what they do in the privacy of their bedroom but they won't teach them that its OK.
    It is OK Navy.....maybe not for you...but for others it is. Why do you feel that everyone is entitled to your opinion? Why not afford others their own opinions?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    FOXNews.com - New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Civil Unions Yes, changing "marriage" no. Makes sense to me.
    SO basically the only thing was just a name change? If I call a pile of cow **** a T-steak or a fillet minion will you eat it? Obviously you think somehow changing the name of something makes it different. New Jersey Has gay marriage, calling it civil union does not make it different. If you support gay marriage then fine come out of the closet and say you support it, don't hide behind paper coated terms for marriage like "civil unions" or "domestic partnerships".
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Paraphrasing: 'separate but equal is not equal'.

    Altho, it certainly does sound like NJ does do better than most states. The most profound personal story I read expanding on this was Andrew Sullivan telling the story of his long time partner coming to family functions for years, and being introduced as a friend or a partner or whatever. But then one year, after MA allowed gay marriage, his mother introduced his husband as her 'son in law'. He said the sense of inclusion, of family, of joining the circle of tradition was profound.
    No, in this case, separate but equal IS equal. The word is really irrelevant. I argue from a pro-GM standpoint all the time. Focusing on the word "marriage" is such a minor issue compared to everything else. When both pros and antis get mired in it all it does is stop any progress right in it's tracks. The issue is for gay couple to have the same rights/abilities as straights. Not to be able to use the same word.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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