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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Wrong.

    The Constitution had many influences, but in terms of ancient writings it was Greeks and Romans that were the great influence. Now if you want to argue that the FF were influenced indirectly by Babylon through the Greeks - but wish to deny any indirect influence from the Bible on the FF or via the Mayflower Compact or English Common Law -- then you are being either disingenuous or incredibly naive.
    Are you reading what I said?

    I said not BASED on it, said nothing about no influences. It is influenced by the bulk of our learning to that point from many sources, going all the way back to the Babylonians.

    Next time actually read what I said. Don't put words in my mouth, and you can lose the phony righteous indignation.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You do realize that he also believes that all marriages should be rendered null and void if children are not in the picture, right?
    I'm not sure that is Jerry's position. Jerry and I have had many, MANY discussions on this issue over the past 3 years and, unless it has changed, I think I understand his position pretty well. I don't think that is part of it.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It certainly can be. We have lots of laws that discriminate based on gender.
    You still have not shown all these laws.

    Outside of the military it has been pretty much erased.

    Want to try again?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are now making an excellent argument for the abolition of government sanctioned marriage and all the benefits that go along with it. However, to your specific point, you are talking about an incestuous relationship... as perceived by law, I believe. These kinds of relationships, like polygamy do not benefit society or the government.
    No its not.........The two sisters I mentioned are only marrying for the benefits provided by the government...they are both as straight as and arrrow and would never engage in sex with one another.

    There are a lot of us out here that say gay marriage does not benefit society in any way in fact it degrades society and the sacrament of marriage.........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I have a multitude of studies that I have posted at DP many times that show that children who are reared by same-sex couples do just as well as those by opposite sex couples.
    To be more accurate, you have posted studies that show that children who are reared by same-sex couples do "just as well" on test designed to measure certain aspects of upbringing that researchers who choose to do such research deem relevant.

    I think it's fair to say that the literature in this area has a long way to go.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You still have not shown all these laws.

    Outside of the military it has been pretty much erased.

    Want to try again?
    I have but you refuse to acknowledge it...........If you won't acknowledge a fact then what is the point in even debating with you..............Bye Bye
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You do realize that he also believes that all marriages should be rendered null and void if children are not in the picture, right?
    Not just present tense, but past and future tense also.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Much like 90% of what you post.

    And you forgot this....

    "The military is different from anything else and has different rules.

    Now again I ask were in civilian life is this gender discrimination?
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    Ok, the fire department.......There are jobs in the fire department that exclude women...........Laugh that one off........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No its not.........The two sisters I mentioned are only marrying for the benefits provided by the government...they are both as straight as and arrrow and would never engage in sex with one another.
    Well, Jerry proposed an interesting bent on this. If the two people are caring for a child, I can see it being reasonable for them to have all the benefits of marriage. Beyond that, there is no information that shows that this relationship is as beneficial as any relationship that a straight or gay couple would have.

    Good point, though, NP.

    See? NP CAN debate.

    There are a lot of us out here that say gay marriage does not benefit society in any in fact it degrades society and the sacrament of marriage.........
    And those people would be wrong... they are speaking from bias, not information.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    To be more accurate, you have posted studies that show that children who are reared by same-sex couples do "just as well" on test designed to measure certain aspects of upbringing that researchers who choose to do such research deem relevant.

    I think it's fair to say that the literature in this area has a long way to go.
    I also think it's fair to say that there is no valid research that disputes the research that demonstrates what I have said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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