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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    No it's not. I HAVE to go into combat because I am a male. It is equal across the board, so no discrimination.
    with all due respect you are unreal.......
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I might add that is your opinion...There are a lot of people out there that might disagree with you...

    I will give you another example............you have 2 sisters living together who would love to have the benefits that marriage provides..........This is a non sexual relationship.............they both are straight........If gays can marry under the 14th amendment equal protection law why can't they?
    You are now making an excellent argument for the abolition of government sanctioned marriage and all the benefits that go along with it. However, to your specific point, you are talking about an incestuous relationship... as perceived by law, I believe. These kinds of relationships, like polygamy do not benefit society or the government.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

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    with all due respect you are unreal.......
    Much like 90% of what you post.

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    Now again I ask were in civilian life is this gender discrimination?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are now making an excellent argument for the abolition of government sanctioned marriage and all the benefits that go along with it. However, to your specific point, you are talking about an incestuous relationship... as perceived by law, I believe. These kinds of relationships, like polygamy do not benefit society or the government.
    I would argue that if they are raising children, they are not only entitled to 'marriage, but society is obligated to give them 'marriage for the benefit of the children.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    CC your a reasonable man............don't you think a mother can bring something in a marriage that two fathers can't........I don't care what some survey says and I use the words common sense again........
    NP, I am not saying that a mother or father do not bring something to a family. What I am saying is that a two-parent household regardless of the genders of the parents works best for children. Every study that I have seen that takes issue with either a mother or father being out of the household is done in regards to SINGLE parent households. We already know that children from single parent households, statistically, don't do as well as those from two parent households. There is nothing that shows, however, that children from single sex households suffer from no having one of the two genders present in the house. In fact, all the data shows that these children do as well as those who have both.

    "Common sense", NP can be proven wrong.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I could evidence that for polygamy, but as it's a bit of a tangent I'll wait until there's a genuine polygamy 'marriage news event to argue it in earnest.
    Bull. If you have it, then PM it to me, but I know for a fact that no such evidence exists.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I would argue that if they are raising children, they are not only entitled to 'marriage, but society is obligated to give them 'marriage for the benefit of the children.
    Very interesting position, Jerry. Kinda goes along with what you and I have been saying for a long time on the family component of this entire issue. I must ponder this, but my initial reaction is that you are absolutely correct and that I would agree.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    CC your a reasonable man............don't you think a mother can bring something in a marriage that two fathers can't........I don't care what some survey says and I use the words common sense again........
    Could you care to explain specifically what it is that a father can bring to a child that a mother cannot or what a mother can bring to a child that a father cannot? If indeed there is something, then I'm assuming you can explain it.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Very interesting position, Jerry. Kinda goes along with what you and I have been saying for a long time on the family component of this entire issue. I must ponder this, but my initial reaction is that you are absolutely correct and that I would agree.
    You do realize that he also believes that all marriages should be rendered null and void if children are not in the picture, right?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The Constitution is not based on biblical truths. It is based on reason dating back farther than the bible. Even back to Babylon.
    Wrong.

    The Constitution had many influences, but in terms of ancient writings it was Greeks and Romans that were the great influence. Now if you want to argue that the FF were influenced indirectly by Babylon through the Greeks - but wish to deny any indirect influence from the Bible on the FF or via the Mayflower Compact or English Common Law -- then you are being either disingenuous or incredibly naive.

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