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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, you are wrong. Same sex marriage can be approved under the grounds that a strong evidence base shows that it is beneficial to both partcipants and that same sex couples can raise children just as well as different sex couples. Can you provide such an evidence base for polygamous families? Incestuous couples? People who want to have sex with animals or children? I don't think so.
    I could evidence that for polygamy, but as it's a bit of a tangent I'll wait until there's a genuine polygamy 'marriage news event to argue it in earnest.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is my point... and I know it is yours too. Because of this, this issue is not about rights.
    What frustrates me the most about this topic is how easily it can be won, yet pro-gm refuse.

    Just make gay marriage about the family, add water and it's ready to serve.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What frustrates me the most about this topic is how easily it can be won, yet pro-gm refuse.

    Just make gay marriage about the family, add water and it's ready to serve.
    I know. You and I have discussed this and said this same thing for a couple of years now... and we do not necessarily agree on a lot, politically.

    Make the issue about rights and discrimination and it's a loser of an argument; heck, I'm pro-GM and I could easily take apart a rights/discrimination pro-GM position.

    Make the issue about family, and not only is it a winner, but unless you argue that marriage should be out of government altogether, it is an undefeatable argument. The mainstream pro-GM movement just doesn't get this. Why, I don't know.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So your point is that gender discrimination under the law is okay?
    It certainly can be. We have lots of laws that discriminate based on gender.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Common sense once told us that left handed people where villains. Common sense is one of those meaningless terms in discussions like this. Now, got any facts to back up your claim?
    Maybe it taught you that but it did not me......that is ridiculous...........No one would believe that.....

    Are you really saying that a father or a mother depending on the situation brings nothing to the table when raising a child..........are you really saying that? a yes or a no will suffice.......
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I could evidence that for polygamy, but as it's a bit of a tangent I'll wait until there's a genuine polygamy 'marriage news event to argue it in earnest.
    I might add there is already a polygamy group in Utah watching the gay marriage very closely and if God forbid gay marriage was ever approved by the equal protection clause they are ready to throw their hat in the ring........
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Maybe it taught you that but it did not me......that is ridiculous...........No one would believe that.....

    Are you really saying that a father or a mother depending on the situation brings nothing to the table when raising a child..........are you really saying that? a yes or a no will suffice.......
    No, he's not saying that. He's saying... as I am with lots of research and data to back me, that a two parent household, regardless of whether it is same-sex or opposite-sex is the best household to in which to rear a child, and that same sex couples do as well rearing children as opposite sex couples. I've been saying this for years, NP, I have lots of data to support it, and have witnessed it, too.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It certainly can be. We have lots of laws that discriminate based on gender.
    Really? Like what?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I might add there is already a polygamy group in Utah watching the gay marriage very closely and if God forbid gay marriage was ever approved by the equal protection clause they are ready to throw their hat in the ring........
    And they will fail. Polygamy does not benefit those involved in a way that benefits society or the government. Gay marriage does. That's the difference.
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And they will fail. Polygamy does not benefit those involved in a way that benefits society or the government. Gay marriage does. That's the difference.
    That makes to much sense for the senseless to understand.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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