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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yes there are many South Park episodes to back that up as well. Still doesn't make it grounds to change the law.
    So if gay marriage were recognized just what harm would there be?

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yes there are many South Park episodes to back that up as well. Still doesn't make it grounds to change the law.
    I love South Park!

    Hmm... maybe the purpose of the anus is to allow gerbils like Lemmiwinks to visit the Sparrow Prince!


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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So if gay marriage were recognized just what harm would there be?
    What does that have to do with passing law?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What does that have to do with passing law?
    Plenty. Usually when a law is passed some harm to society has to presented.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    FOXNews.com - New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Civil Unions Yes, changing "marriage" no. Makes sense to me.
    If anyone cares:

    STATE OF NEW JERSEY

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Truthfully, to me this is irrelevant. NJ already has civil unions which affords gay couples rights for adoptions, benefits, and other things that married couples have. Though my overall position is that the term "marriage" should be used only for religious purposes and all governmental unions should be "civil unions"... gay or straight, the way that NJ handles it currently, is fine by me. I'm not sure why this is a big deal.
    The real fight is not of rights, but of validating an identity.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Plenty. Usually when a law is passed some harm to society has to presented.
    Where is that written?
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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The real fight is not of rights, but of validating an identity.
    Duh. Just as women were validating their identity with the suffrage movement and blacks were validating their identity with the civil rights movement. The contention is that conservatives simply don't think gay is an identity. They think it is a choice.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Duh. Just as women were validating their identity with the suffrage movement and blacks were validating their identity with the civil right movement. The contention is that conservatives simply don't think gay is an identity. They think it is a choice.
    From the link:
    c. Although same-sex couples may enter into civil unions, nonetheless New Jersey’s discriminatory exclusion of these couples from marriage further harms same-sex couples and their families by denying them unique public recognition and affirmation
    So, little Johny still has a Mom and a Mommy, and they each have every civil right that an opposite-sex couple have...so please evidence this harm caused by the state refusing the word.
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-09-10 at 03:09 PM.

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    Re: New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Duh. Just as women were validating their identity with the suffrage movement and blacks were validating their identity with the civil rights movement. The contention is that conservatives simply don't think gay is an identity. They think it is a choice.
    We simply have no other explanation. We can prove race and sex are not a choice. When you can prove homosexuality isn't, we are ready to talk about changing law for it.
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