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New Jersey Senate Defeats Gay Marriage Bill

jallman said:
:shock: ****. It happened again...
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Yeah, making sense does that to many, I've noticed.

Making people confront their own unreason brings out the most amusing in them, I've seen.

What's more fun is asking them why they care if someone marries another of the same sex.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
If "civil unions" are exactly equal to "marriage" in all but name, there's no reason to discriminate by having them.
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I guess we have discussed the difference a thousand times........Civil Unions can give you all the benefits of marriage which I believe is what most gay people want...........The people might approve them but at this time they will never gor for marriage for gays for the reasons I have mentioned in this thread a dozen times............
 
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Ockham said:
What's the inequality?
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"Civil Union" has two words, ten letters and a space.

"Marriage" is one eight letter word.

Saying "we're going to get civil unioned tomorrow" is just weird, as is writing "civil unioned" on the back of your car.

Telling the hotel clerk that you were "civil unioned" is kind of freaky, too.

Telling your friends that you're the best man at someone's "civil unioning" is both kind of awkward and might be misconstrued, too. You might leave them wondering if you're the bottom or the top, instead of just an adjunct for the two players.

And telling your aggressive secretary that you're a happily "civil unioned" man will just cause him to crack up.

And in the area of apparal, would the "union suit", you know, the long johns with the flap in the back, take on a whole new image in the eyes of the public?
 
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Navy Pride said:
I guess we have discussed the difference a thousand times........Civil Unions can give you all the benefits of marriage....The people might approve them but at this time they will never gor for marriage for gays for the reasons I have mentioned in this thread a dozen times............
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"The People" don't have an interest in telling others who they can "civil union" or not.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
"Civil Union" has two words, ten letters and a space.

"Marriage" is one eight letter word.

Saying "we're going to get civil unioned tomorrow" is just weird, as is writing "civil unioned" on the back of your car.

Telling the hotel clerk that you were "civil unioned" is kind of freaky, too.

Telling your friends that you're the best man at someone's "civil unioning" is both kind of awkward and might be misconstrued, too. You might leave them wondering if you're the bottom or the top, instead of just an adjunct for the two players.

And telling your aggressive secretary that you're a happily "civil unioned" man will just cause him to crack up.

And in the area of apparal, would the "union suit", you know, the long johns with the flap in the back, take on a whole new image in the eyes of the public?
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Dude, you are just cracking me up today. Who are you and what have you done with the real Scarecrow Akhbar? LOL:2wave:
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
"Civil Union" has two words, ten letters and a space.

"Marriage" is one eight letter word.

Saying "we're going to get civil unioned tomorrow" is just weird, as is writing "civil unioned" on the back of your car.

Telling the hotel clerk that you were "civil unioned" is kind of freaky, too.

Telling your friends that you're the best man at someone's "civil unioning" is both kind of awkward and might be misconstrued, too. You might leave them wondering if you're the bottom or the top, instead of just an adjunct for the two players.

And telling your aggressive secretary that you're a happily "civil unioned" man will just cause him to crack up.

And in the area of apparal, would the "union suit", you know, the long johns with the flap in the back, take on a whole new image in the eyes of the public?
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You find it funny but I don't think most gay people that want equal rights find it as laughable as you do...........Whoops belay my last.........I guess jallman does find it funny.......
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
"Civil Union" has two words, ten letters and a space.

"Marriage" is one eight letter word.

Saying "we're going to get civil unioned tomorrow" is just weird, as is writing "civil unioned" on the back of your car.

Telling the hotel clerk that you were "civil unioned" is kind of freaky, too.

Telling your friends that you're the best man at someone's "civil unioning" is both kind of awkward and might be misconstrued, too. You might leave them wondering if you're the bottom or the top, instead of just an adjunct for the two players.

And telling your aggressive secretary that you're a happily "civil unioned" man will just cause him to crack up.

And in the area of apparal, would the "union suit", you know, the long johns with the flap in the back, take on a whole new image in the eyes of the public?
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Try it for a say 4 or 5 years first. I'm sure someone crafty will come out with a cool abbreviated version or some catchy metaphor like "Queued" a play on CU or the like. It'll grow on people.
 
Separate is never equal. That's the lesson we learned from Segregation.
 
Navy Pride said:
You find it funny but I don't think most gay people that want equal rights find it as laughable as you do...........Whoops belay my last.........I guess jallman does find it funny.......
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Come on, man. You got to at least have a sense of humor about things or you end up in a bad way. You didn't think the "union suit" comment was friggin hilarious?
 
Ockham said:
Try it for a say 4 or 5 years first. I'm sure someone crafty will come out with a cool abbreviated version or some catchy metaphor like "Queued" a play on CU or the like. It'll grow on people.
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Nah, I think what will happen is that it will become a brand of resentment rather than anything "catchy". It will take on the same offensive meaning as saying "Back of the bus, Rosa".
 
Navy Pride said:
You lost me on that one...............
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Since the People, ie, the state, does not have an interest in controlling who marries who, then the state has no basis for assuming such control, or rather, maintaining it.

Martin Luther King didn't march to establish the right of black people to sit at the front of the bus. Those people marched for freedom.

If gays want to get married, then "civil unioning" them isn't going to cut it, and shouldn't be accepted.
 
At what point does this end? This isn't some backwards southern state, this is New Jersey. The whole country is opposed to Gay "Marriage," but it keeps on going. How many defeats before America puts this issue behind itself, and resumes the path of progress?
 
Areopagitican said:
At what point does this end? This isn't some backwards southern state, this is New Jersey. The whole country is opposed to Gay "Marriage," but it keeps on going. How many defeats before America puts this issue behind itself, and resumes the path of progress?
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"Progress"?

Denying civil rights is progress?

Embracing bigotry is progress?

Limiting freedom is progress?

OH! I get it, you use the word "progress" like the self-annointed Progressives do, to mean repression and oppression and control by the elites and interference in private lives.
 
jallman said:
I'm not going to attribute that to the whole right wing because I am rather right wing myself. However, as long as the "family values" charlatans have their cult following of fanatics and inbreds screaming and caterwauling over Adam and Steve getting their gay freak on, then you have to worry about constant litigation, rights being held in limbo, and constant social conflict.
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Maybe it is how we define right-wing, but I don't put you anywhere near what I define the right-wing as. For the most part, your views are fairly moderate, by my standards. Although I often disagree with you, I don't find you to be extremist at all.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Since the People, ie, the state, does not have an interest in controlling who marries who, then the state has no basis for assuming such control, or rather, maintaining it.

Martin Luther King didn't march to establish the right of black people to sit at the front of the bus. Those people marched for freedom.

If gays want to get married, then "civil unioning" them isn't going to cut it, and shouldn't be accepted.
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1. The people are the state........:confused:

2. I do not accept the comparison between gays and blacks in the struggle for rights and think its and insult to do so.............

3. Have you been reading the thead at all?
 
disneydude said:
and THAT is exactly why civil unions will NEVER be acceptable.

Our nation promises "Liberty and Justice for ALL"....not just Some.
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They are different but for the purpose of rights they are equal.........:confused:
 
disneydude said:
I'm sure there were many blacks that were ok with a ban on inter-racial marriage. It didn't make it right.
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To compare the hardships that blacks had to go through to gays is a cop out and insult to every black person who has lived in this country and you know it........
 
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